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OpenAI releasing new open model in coming months, seeks community feedback

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Re: OpenAI releasing new open model in coming months, seeks community feedback

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Q: How open? Can it be used commercially? Is the training protocol going to be open? Or just the weights released like Llama models?

They specify "open-weights" later down the form

That doesn't mean anything in particular other than that the weights can be downloaded and run. What's interesting is the terms under which they can be used - there are quite a few "open weights" models that can only be used for non-commercial purposes without a paid license, like Command R from Cohere (cc-by-nc-4.0).

Re: OpenAI releasing new open model in coming months, seeks community feedback

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For those wondering how to answer "what do you want to see from an open model" I put this in: an open weights end to end multimodal model, a model large enough to act as a functional teacher along with a range of nicely distilled smaller sizes, code repo to make training / finetuning easy.

As I write this, I'd also like to request a set of tool calling LLMs in various sizes. Feels to me like a small fast local tool calling assessor with a large context to support a lot of MCP functions would be very useful locally.

Re: OpenAI releasing new open model in coming months, seeks community feedback

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>they need to make a selection removing trolls, luddites, etc Do the luddites opinions not count?

Well traditionally you're supposed to make them count if you're on the luddite side.

First step: don't talk to them, (one of you might get convinced)

Re: OpenAI releasing new open model in coming months, seeks community feedback

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Don’t kid yourself about the intentions. It’s only so enterprise customers can deploy a shitty chatbot on premise for their "secret data". The models will be free for commercial use until 1 mil turnover or something like that.

Re: OpenAI releasing new open model in coming months, seeks community feedback

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well obviously they will have thousands of applications from which they need to make a selection removing trolls, luddites, etc. How would you do it without asking for some applicants' details?

>they need to make a selection removing trolls, luddites, etc Do the luddites opinions not count?

If you have a business selling hamburgers, does it make sense to ask vegetarians what should be on it?

Re: OpenAI releasing new open model in coming months, seeks community feedback

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>they need to make a selection removing trolls, luddites, etc Do the luddites opinions not count?

If you have a business selling hamburgers, does it make sense to ask vegetarians what should be on it?

I would think it makes some amount of sense if you think they're vegetarian for some moral reason and you think you could court them to become customers.

Re: OpenAI releasing new open model in coming months, seeks community feedback

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post #33

What's the major use case of open source models? The stable diffusion community seems pretty active. A lot of fine tuning to generate NSFW. What about LLM?

The biggest use case of open-source LLM is that your use of it is private and input is not sent to third-parties. For a personal perspective, it means it's free and accessible forever (and yes can be used for NSFW stuff), and from a business perspective, it matters both for legal reasons such as finetuning on propritary data and it mitigates the business liability of issues with the third-party LLM provider such as random API outages.
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