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Installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits (2020)

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Re: Installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits (2020)

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Only marginally relevant, this is one reason I use swamp coolers in my home. My windows are open 24/7, 4 months of the year. I hear the birds in the morning and it’s so much more pleasant than shutting in an air conditioned box, in my opinion

Do you not get massive amounts of dust?

Why would opening the windows result in dust, except where there a lot of dust outside (near a construction site)?

Re: Installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits (2020)

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I'm all for installing air filters in classrooms for a number of reasons, but I also think the extreme results from this study aren't going to hold up to further research. From the paper: > To do so, I leverage a unique setting arising from the largest gas leak in United States history, whereby the offending gas company installed air filters in every classroom, office and common area for all schools within five miles…

I'm a big fan of air filters and have many in my own home that have made a big difference in quality of life as I live in a high pollen area. They can help with a lot more irritants as well that some students may be sensitive to (i.e., some students may study better if their immune system isn't in overdrive for half the school year like mine was). I'm not sure how these would help with natural gas though. I can't read the article due to paywall. Some VOCs can be filtered out (at least I think) with a baking soda filter ...those have to be changed more often than the HEPA filters (at least on my model that has one). Again, that should help with some scents (a major issue for me - even the dishwasher running can cause problems for me), but it isn't going to help if there is a gas leak (not sure if that is what the article is suggesting).

Re: Installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits (2020)

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I'm all for installing air filters in classrooms for a number of reasons, but I also think the extreme results from this study aren't going to hold up to further research. From the paper: > To do so, I leverage a unique setting arising from the largest gas leak in United States history, whereby the offending gas company installed air filters in every classroom, office and common area for all schools within five miles…

If anything, schools able to implement air filtration and fresh air exchanges systems are likely those flush with cash and supportive parents.

only ycombinator would have a hard time with the concept of 'open the window' and instead expect a capital installment of $2B to retrofit classrooms

Re: Installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My dad made a similar observation, assuming the children were young. However, upon reviewing the article, I noticed it doesn’t explicitly mention the grade level. Considering younger children have weaker immune systems, this could potentially lead to fewer missed classes and improved grades. Personally, my first grader misses out on a considerable number of classes. However, if these results were observed in grades 3…

do younger children have weaker immune systems?

Not as much as their immune systems haven't been around very long and seen as many diseases.

Re: Installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits (2020)

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Anecdote: Our daycare was a plague ship right after covid 'ended'. None of the kids had any immunities, and they made up for it in a hurry. Man, what a terrible year.

As a result, the daycare got a grant to get N-95 air filters installed and those UV lights that Chinese restaurants tend to have in the bathrooms. One per room.

What. A. Difference.

The infants and kids coming up are not nearly as sick, and when they do get sick, it's not nearly as terrible. The RSV vaccine has also been a godsend.

I can't really tell/feel what what the silver bullet here, but the combinations have been amazing. So much so that we got them for the house.

Re: Installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits (2020)

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I'm all for installing air filters in classrooms for a number of reasons, but I also think the extreme results from this study aren't going to hold up to further research. From the paper: > To do so, I leverage a unique setting arising from the largest gas leak in United States history, whereby the offending gas company installed air filters in every classroom, office and common area for all schools within five miles…

Based on your comment, the effect could be larger as well as smaller. All research is met on HN by people who know better and will tell you why it's flawed. There isn't a greater collection of expertise in the history of the world than on HN. Edit: I meant to add: What value can we find in this research? It wasn't published as scripture, the perfect answer to all our problems. It's one study of some interesting event…

Science succeeds when people lean towards the side of cynicism instead of optimism. Scientific research should be read critically.

Re: Installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits (2020)

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I'm all for installing air filters in classrooms for a number of reasons, but I also think the extreme results from this study aren't going to hold up to further research. From the paper: > To do so, I leverage a unique setting arising from the largest gas leak in United States history, whereby the offending gas company installed air filters in every classroom, office and common area for all schools within five miles…

I wish we made more efforts to check air quality. I went to a great school, and the water filter hadnt been replaced since 2005 (it was 2012 at the time, and filters were supposed to be replaced every 6 months). My point is people take it for granted that air quality or water quality in the US is great, but if we checked, I bet most of us are exposed to cancerous materials all the time that could be easily prevented (the water stations rn are made of plastic (PVC), which leaches in the water over time and leads to nanoplastics accumulating in all of us. Easily prevented through more expensive steel pipes). Hell, my office had asbestos in the ceiling that was painted over! It sucks we lack regulation, as I do not believe it is my job to check these things and report them, and I got tired of it. Given the EPA is lacking funds, it is imperative all of us do due diligence so our children do not experience the cancer rates that are ravaging us (our cancer rates are 30% higher than Europe once you rule out lung cancer, which is a result of their smoking habits. The europeans love their cigs).

Re: Installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits (2020)

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on your comment, the effect could be larger as well as smaller. All research is met on HN by people who know better and will tell you why it's flawed. There isn't a greater collection of expertise in the history of the world than on HN. Edit: I meant to add: What value can we find in this research? It wasn't published as scripture, the perfect answer to all our problems. It's one study of some interesting event…

Science succeeds when people lean towards the side of cynicism instead of optimism. Scientific research should be read critically.

Critical thinking and skepticism are good, but much of what happens on HN is not that.

Thinking critically includes, most of all, finding value - you need to think critically (and skeptically) to avoid assigning value to things that don't have it, but you must find value. The goal is to build knowledge - just like the study author needs to find knowledge among flawed data, you must find knowledge among flawed studies - and they are all flawed, of course.

Focusing on the flaws and trying to shoot down everything is just craven recreation.

Re: Installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anything, schools able to implement air filtration and fresh air exchanges systems are likely those flush with cash and supportive parents.

only ycombinator would have a hard time with the concept of 'open the window' and instead expect a capital installment of $2B to retrofit classrooms

Yes, silly gas company, should just tell the local schools to open the windows and let the natural gas in.

You have heard of air pollution, I assume. Some schools are in places that regularly have polluted air.

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