Too little too late?
Curiously, what is the alternative? Chromium-based browsers? Sorry, but I don't trust Google's push to Manifest V3.
for web apps I ended up going with Gnome Web, but Tangram and Ferdium are other options I'm considering
Firefox Is Finally (Re)Adding Support for Web Apps
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
PWAs that prevent you from getting at your browser extensions are an inherently user-hostile idea.
Isn’t there a middle where you don’t show the whole browser chrome by default and still allow access to the extensions? Maybe add a tiny button to show the browser UI or add a shortcut?
That is how it works in Chrome, right? Or am I going insane? When I open a web app I made with Chrome, there's a small icon in the top right of my window that opens the extensions dropdown.
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#33Every time Mozilla is on here people go crazy. And they wrote their comment using Chrome or some skin. Which they have used for a decade. Because the button on the left seemed off on Firefox compared to Chrome (always something). So fuck Firefox. On hacker news. Crazy.
> On hacker news. You have the wrong expectations toward HN :) It's a lot less frustrating if you correct them. It's the community forum for a US-based, web-heavy startup accelerator, not a "hacker's corner" in terms of the original scene. The priorities and values and interests do differ.
Agreed. These who would rather use a browser from an Orwellian company are not hackers. They are tools.
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#34> Similarly, Rubino says web apps in Firefox will not use a minimal browser frame and will continue to show a main toolbar with address bar, extensions, bookmarks... Why is this so hard to understand? Why are they so against just making it work like it's supposed to? PWAs are actively useful and great and this is just frustrating.
PWAs that prevent you from getting at your browser extensions are an inherently user-hostile idea.
Any person's first contact with a PWA is going to be in the full-chrome browser. The user has to voluntarily choose "install as web app" to actually lose the browser chrome. Not giving users this choice and opting them into a windowed mode forever makes PWA support largely useless -- just open the app from your bookmarks!
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#35> Similarly, Rubino says web apps in Firefox will not use a minimal browser frame and will continue to show a main toolbar with address bar, extensions, bookmarks... Why is this so hard to understand? Why are they so against just making it work like it's supposed to? PWAs are actively useful and great and this is just frustrating.
As I understand it, two problems are: 1) There's no clear definition of what it's "supposed" to. Not everyone who uses the term PWA wants the same things. 2. Some things are just a lot harder to implement than others.
1. if 90% of the people don't want a toolbar in a PWA (I'm being generous about 10% wanting it), it makes sense to not have it
2. It is not harder to implement a button to show the toolbar menu
In all case, it should be (it already is by the spec!) a developer option, not something enforced by the browser.
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#36> Similarly, Rubino says web apps in Firefox will not use a minimal browser frame and will continue to show a main toolbar with address bar, extensions, bookmarks... Why is this so hard to understand? Why are they so against just making it work like it's supposed to? PWAs are actively useful and great and this is just frustrating.
It is frustrating to not know what url I have open. Some apps add info based on account .
Every PWA starts in a webpage, and you have to manually install it as PWA.
If it's important for you to see the url, use it in the browser and don't install it? Installation only makes sense if the website/app is build for it.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
> On hacker news. You have the wrong expectations toward HN :) It's a lot less frustrating if you correct them. It's the community forum for a US-based, web-heavy startup accelerator, not a "hacker's corner" in terms of the original scene. The priorities and values and interests do differ.
Are there any forums more focused on being a "hacker's corner"?
lobste.rs is way more hacker and technical.
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#38I’m not sure what Mozilla has been doing the last ten years but I’m fairly certain it has little to do with what users want. I am thoroughly finished with them as an organization; hopefully they represent the end of an ugly era, which to my recollection began in about 2013. I will not mourn their inevitable slide into complete irrelevance and financial insolvency.
I will mourn the lack of a non-Chrome browser engine with enough market share to prevent Chrome from unilaterally changing the web.
Someone can fork chromium if need be. There are at least a couple organizations with chromium-based browsers that have maintained their own engines in the past. Chromium is objectively very good so it’s not like it’s the time when we were left with IE5. The biggest problem now is Google trying to protect their ad business and the other Chromium browsers have been working around that. I don’t think we are nearly as bad off as we have at other times in the past.
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#39I would like to see them re develop positron (firefox + electron) https://github.com/mozilla/positron
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#40> Similarly, Rubino says web apps in Firefox will not use a minimal browser frame and will continue to show a main toolbar with address bar, extensions, bookmarks... Why is this so hard to understand? Why are they so against just making it work like it's supposed to? PWAs are actively useful and great and this is just frustrating.
It is frustrating to not know what url I have open. Some apps add info based on account .
Then use it as a web page?