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Botswana launches first satellite BOTSAT-1 aboard SpaceX Falcon 9

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Re: Botswana launches first satellite BOTSAT-1 aboard SpaceX Falcon 9

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Very few organizations and even countries can develop both a launch vehicle and a satellite. Botswana has done fine to develop a satellite that integrates onto a rideshare launch. They aren't working with anything close to the headcount or budget of NASA or even the ESA. Edit (rather than reply and make the comment chain long): It's fine that you read it that way. I figure that if the article were about a launch vehi…

While I agree with the sentiment, my tiny island nation with a population of 5m people was able to develop satellite launch capabilities. It’s more a case of does it make economic or strategic sense to do so. For most countries it wouldn’t.

Your tiny island nation (New Zealand) with a GDP an order of magnitude bigger than Botswana's?

Sure, developing a single satellite isn't something that makes a lot of sense in a first order economic assessment. They are definitely not going to be able to sell the data they collect for the millions of dollars they spent on the program. And they definitely spent more on the satellite than they would have spent buying equivalent imagery from commercial providers for the next few years. There is almost no chance that they will have a satellite with competitive technical specs.

But nobody is comparing Botswana to NZ. This is their first satellite. Having a satellite program at the national university is a point of national pride. It will inspire their young people and encourage them to study STEM. It gives valuable practical experience to their people, some of whom might go on to start a space systems company and bring high tech business opportunities to their country. This is a step toward moving part of their economy from being based on natural resources (diamonds, the value of which are subject to the whims of a cartel that they don't control), to being based on knowledge.

Re: Botswana launches first satellite BOTSAT-1 aboard SpaceX Falcon 9

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I mean basically everyone launches their first satellite using a third party launch provider which is usually SpaceX. If there's someone missing credit here it's Endurosat for providing the satellite bus and doing integration work, but the payload and operation which is the novel bit will be Botswanan. It's like you don't have to credit Linus Torvalds or Brendan Eich for their contributions to your first web service.…

Why do they ask you not to mention them publicly?

SpaceX tired of winning

Re: Botswana launches first satellite BOTSAT-1 aboard SpaceX Falcon 9

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Of course, even Europe cannot launch cheaply anymore. Arianespace is crawling to space; they are left for dead. The only serious players are the US and China. It's reached a point where it has become like trying to manufacture a state-of-the-art 5nm chip in a developing nation: possible, but at an absurd cost. You might achieve an initial parametric yield of only 10%, meaning only a tiny fraction of the chips coming…

> The only serious players are the US and China Forgot one https://www.rocketlaunch.live/?filter=roscosmos

russia is poor now that their entire economy is shaken by war, I doubt they would even get competitive in the future

even I would award third place to India or CNSA

Re: Botswana launches first satellite BOTSAT-1 aboard SpaceX Falcon 9

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very few organizations and even countries can develop both a launch vehicle and a satellite. Botswana has done fine to develop a satellite that integrates onto a rideshare launch. They aren't working with anything close to the headcount or budget of NASA or even the ESA. Edit (rather than reply and make the comment chain long): It's fine that you read it that way. I figure that if the article were about a launch vehi…

That seems an uncharitable read of the GP. I too assumed from the headline that by using the verb launch, it was referring to an indigenous vehicle.

we talking about Botswana here, not disrespect to botswana but you can't launch rocket with some serious publication first

we know that china would have rocket back then because scientific advancement, you cant skip steps

Re: Botswana launches first satellite BOTSAT-1 aboard SpaceX Falcon 9

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Of course, even Europe cannot launch cheaply anymore. Arianespace is crawling to space; they are left for dead. The only serious players are the US and China. It's reached a point where it has become like trying to manufacture a state-of-the-art 5nm chip in a developing nation: possible, but at an absurd cost. You might achieve an initial parametric yield of only 10%, meaning only a tiny fraction of the chips coming…

SpaceX didn't spend an absurd amount of money getting Falcon 9 to where it is. It was a lot, but pretty typical, even somewhat cheap, for developing a brand new rocket. Repeating their feat should be even cheaper, since you won't be taking detours trying out parachutes and such before settling on the final architecture. It's a relatively straightforward application of known technology, not bleeding edge stuff like 5n…

If it's so easy to clone it, where are the clones?

I've been reading about Airbus' reusable/recoverable SpaceX-killers for over a decade now. They've yet to have anything to show for their work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adeline_(rocket_stage)

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-33006056 ("Airbus unveils 'Adeline' re-usable rocket concept" (2015))

- "...Airbus says it has been working on the concept since 2010 and has even flight-tested small demonstrators..."

(That BBC article predates the first Falcon rocket landing).

Re: Botswana launches first satellite BOTSAT-1 aboard SpaceX Falcon 9

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> The only serious players are the US and China Forgot one https://www.rocketlaunch.live/?filter=roscosmos

russia is poor now that their entire economy is shaken by war, I doubt they would even get competitive in the future even I would award third place to India or CNSA

Luckily for you, the linked site has upcoming schedules to trivially look this up. India has 6 launches upcoming in 2025, Rosskosmos has 8 and Russian military has one more. So Russia is launching 50% more than India in 2025.

Re: Botswana launches first satellite BOTSAT-1 aboard SpaceX Falcon 9

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

SpaceX didn't spend an absurd amount of money getting Falcon 9 to where it is. It was a lot, but pretty typical, even somewhat cheap, for developing a brand new rocket. Repeating their feat should be even cheaper, since you won't be taking detours trying out parachutes and such before settling on the final architecture. It's a relatively straightforward application of known technology, not bleeding edge stuff like 5n…

If it's so easy to clone it, where are the clones? I've been reading about Airbus' reusable/recoverable SpaceX-killers for over a decade now. They've yet to have anything to show for their work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adeline_(rocket_stage) https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-33006056 ( "Airbus unveils 'Adeline' re-usable rocket concept" (2015)) - "...Airbus says it has been working on the concept sin…

Don't get me wrong, that problem of overcoming the old, slow, expensive way of doing things is huge for any established launch organization. I don't expect Airbus or ULA to get there. But it's not because the technology is so difficult that they can't do it. A new rocket company with a couple billion dollars in funding would have a good chance.

Re: Botswana launches first satellite BOTSAT-1 aboard SpaceX Falcon 9

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Don’t want to belittle the achievement but they launched it as in „had it launched by the commercial launch provider SpaceX“, not on a self-developed rocket as it sounds like on the first read.

Very few organizations and even countries can develop both a launch vehicle and a satellite. Botswana has done fine to develop a satellite that integrates onto a rideshare launch. They aren't working with anything close to the headcount or budget of NASA or even the ESA. Edit (rather than reply and make the comment chain long): It's fine that you read it that way. I figure that if the article were about a launch vehi…

> Edit (rather than reply and make the comment chain long):

Sorry to go meta here, but this is just rude, both to OP and to other readers.

For OP, you're effectively pre-empting what they say with your own counterargument, and even more so you're removing the ability for them to counter your counter. You're essentially using the edit feature to end the conversation and ensure you have the final word.

For other readers, you're introducing confusing non-linear flow.

Just reply. It's not hard, and as you can see below you didn't actually prevent a subthread from forming.

Re: Botswana launches first satellite BOTSAT-1 aboard SpaceX Falcon 9

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russia is poor now that their entire economy is shaken by war, I doubt they would even get competitive in the future even I would award third place to India or CNSA

Luckily for you, the linked site has upcoming schedules to trivially look this up. India has 6 launches upcoming in 2025, Rosskosmos has 8 and Russian military has one more. So Russia is launching 50% more than India in 2025.

roscosmos launch is because they still get contract from NASA to International Space Station
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