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"Two men were released after The Times asked about them, half a year after their sentences had been completed." Horrific. This egregious human rights violation is something you'd think you read about in a developing nation, not a developed nation.
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Imprisonment is indeed a newer development. In the past they chopped off your hand and let fate deal with you, or they just executed you. Nobody was going to feed some peasant who couldn't even work. Imprisonment was for aristocrats and their children, not for criminals.
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> Horrific. This egregious human rights violation is something you'd think you read about in a developing nation, not a developed nation. bruh you have no idea. seriously. the "justice system" in the US should not be called a justice system, but a slavery and penal system: > Thirteenth Amendment, Section 1: > Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been…
> the US also has private prisons. do you understand? e.g., there are about 1000 prisoners in california that are also firefighters getting paid $10 a day. “E.g.” is is misused here: California prison firefighters are not an example of private prisons (California does not employ private prisons.) > do you think they cost $10 a day to california? Well, yeah, they are state prisoners in state prisons, whos do you think…
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> Horrific. This egregious human rights violation is something you'd think you read about in a developing nation, not a developed nation. bruh you have no idea. seriously. the "justice system" in the US should not be called a justice system, but a slavery and penal system: > Thirteenth Amendment, Section 1: > Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been…
> the US also has private prisons. do you understand? e.g., there are about 1000 prisoners in california that are also firefighters getting paid $10 a day. “E.g.” is is misused here: California prison firefighters are not an example of private prisons (California does not employ private prisons.) > do you think they cost $10 a day to california? Well, yeah, they are state prisoners in state prisons, whos do you think…
https://www.thepomonan.com/news/2023/10/2/7investigative-cal...
> AB32 included exemptions which allowed private prisons to focus on other profitable "community corrections" programs, such as day reporting centers, counseling facilities, halfway houses, rehabilitation centers, medical offices, and mental health facilities. Currently, these exemptions are worth around $200 million a year. Included are locations that mimic detention facilities and are run by organizations that also run private prisons in California.
https://www.ilrc.org/biden-administration-partners-private-p...
> 09/26/2022
> Pasadena, CA - Today, an en banc 11-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals held that GEO could block California’s AB 32 (People not Profit, Bonta) from going into effect for the duration of the lawsuit, pending further review from District Court. AB 32 is a state law signed in 2019 which banned private prisons and private immigration detention centers in the state.
I do not know if this applies to the Conservation (Fire) Camp Program
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Hi we're looking for volunteers to be incarcerated unjustly (without habeas corpus) so that when criminals perform a calculus vis a vis deciding to be poor they will be diverted from crime by the unjustness of your incarceration. Looking forward to hearing from you!
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The so-called best shouldn’t compare itself to others, it should compare itself to itself from yesterday. And in those regards, we are descending rapidly, especially for those of us LGBTQ+, women and minorities.
Do not forget how fast Saudi Arabia and other countries changed from their liberal views to literal theocracies.
"Two men were released after The Times asked about them, half a year after their sentences had been completed." Horrific. This egregious human rights violation is something you'd think you read about in a developing nation, not a developed nation.
Sadly, we have become one of the shit-hole nations Trump loves to rant about. And we (the voting public) have been 100% complicit.
Just like healthcare, US justice is only for people with money.
"Two men were released after The Times asked about them, half a year after their sentences had been completed." Horrific. This egregious human rights violation is something you'd think you read about in a developing nation, not a developed nation.
Yes, but a note of hope. "The future is unevenly distributed" cuts both ways, the good and the bad. At least we know about some of the atrocities happening here, and good that we haven't been warn down and we still recognize them as such. One tip to deal with a firehose of bad news: rank it based on physical proximity. That way you won't be overwhelmed and lose perspective. "Life is suffering" as the Buddhists say. I believe that if you could empathize with even 1% of the suffering of humans this moment you would be overwhelmed. Egregious failures of the state, like in the OP's piece, must ultimately be solved by those that caused it. Our desire to swoop in and fix other people's problems needs appropriate caution. Consider the lessons of US intervention in the Somali Civil War in the 90's.
Anyone who has ever dealt with the US justice system as just some regular bloke knows it is broken. 90% of it is about extorting the population for funding for the courts and cops. If you can't afford a lawyer, they will provide you with a joke. And if you can afford a lawyer, now its just a question if you are willing to spend more on your lawyer than the state is hoping to extort from you. If you are, you will get…
and just like re healthcare, this is the rub of communicating about this: 90% (to pick a random number out of thin air) of hn's target demo has had perfect/sheltered lives and has never come into contact with the "law". so they believe all the political and institutional rhetoric around it.
the other 10% know it's a myth but fail to be able to convince the 90% because it would cause deep cognitive dissonance to accept that the US is deeply deeply inequitable and unfair and that it's not accidental but systematic. when i was younger i was in jail a handful of times (not prison thankfully). it's impossible to explain to someone how fucked up it is that's never experienced it. i stopped talking about the "justice system" a long time ago to co-workers/friends/etc and i don't tell anyone about my experience (only my wife knows).