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The Great Barefoot Running Hysteria of 2010

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Re: The Great Barefoot Running Hysteria of 2010

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I am thankful for this movement because I now mostly wear xero shoes (or DIY sandals) and now I never get shooting pains up my leg (caused by arch support) nor squished pinkie toes.

I also have no need for high heels in my daily life so "zero drop" is great. I don't think heels are good for your back.

It's also nice to not that the shoes are extremely light weight/flexible (no breaking-in) and breathable (no stink).

I don't plan to ever wear a high-heel pointed shoe again.

Re: The Great Barefoot Running Hysteria of 2010

#32

I wear nothing but minimal shoes day to day. I find them so much better. I used to have precision manufactured orthotics etc, then went to another podiatrist one day who had moved to specialise in barefoot. She basically said "your feet are fine, try these shoes out and see how it goes". It went great. TBC on running, I have tight achilles and need to put in a lot of prep work to be able to run without pain so cbf. D…

If you have tight Achilles a high drop shoe will help a lot because it takes the load off the Achilles.

Re: The Great Barefoot Running Hysteria of 2010

#33
This article is rather scant and hyperbolic.

> “… was dominated by an aggressive mob mentality around barefoot running”

Really? Most of the barefoot running enthusiasts I encountered were super friendly and open-minded.

> “… the appeal to nature fallacy: a logical fallacy in which a subject is claimed to be good simply because it is natural”

I’m not sure it is a fallacy to revert to tradition (proven heuristics) in a complex realm of limited first-principles understanding. Much of the barefoot running enthusiasm (and general naturalist or anthropologically-oriented problem-solving) is less oriented to proving various theories and more so trying to find gains with a clear awareness of uncertainty.

Personally: I suspect simple shoes best honor the immense structural complexity of the feet and legs (and the integration with the rest of the body). I wear thin-soled shoes in order to maintain healthy lower limbs. As a lover of walks for a clear mind I advocate for simple, thin-soled shoes (but I don’t believe we need an inquisition and I haven’t yet started collecting funds for a mission).

The few times I attempted to wear shoes with significant support I noticed dangerous knee strain that went away upon returning to simple shoes. While there’s no overwhelming body of evidence there and I probably can’t write a paper about it, that’s sufficient signal for me to stick with simple shoes.

Re: The Great Barefoot Running Hysteria of 2010

#34
So called barefoot shoes, which are notable for their thin, flat soles and wide foot boxes, are not based on an appeal to nature at all. Constricting the foot and movement of the toes results in visible changes to feet and complications like ingrown toenails which are otherwise rare. Thick soles cause a transition to a hard heel strike pattern which ultimately increases stress on the heels and knees. The amount of hard data which is currently available is limited, but also rather dramatic.

My work involves walking all around urban environments. I had long had problems with overly narrow shoes, and when I transitioned to barefoot style shoes my gait completely changed. The result has been a massive improvement in quality of life with foot and joint pain that used to be constant now completely gone. One interesting part of this is that it took a full two years to completely make the transition, and now when I want to buy shoes I almost always find a range available in my size because so many attempt to transition to wearing barefoot shoes turn back because it is genuinely painful, difficult, and dangerous, especially at first in the initial two weeks or so.

This article is interesting, but to me seems a bit off. More interesting than the brief spike of strong interest is the fact that interest in barefoot running and barefoot shoes remained elevated afterwards relative to before.

Re: The Great Barefoot Running Hysteria of 2010

#35
I really liked the idea of "barefoot running" at the time, but it was always pretty clearly an extreme take. I do still think (with 0 evidence) that a lot of supported shoes are overly padded - that said, people run on a pretty wide variety of surfaces, it seems hard to argue that people evolved to run on concrete.

Nice bit of context for anyone interested but not wanting to read the whole book is Christopher McDougal's TED talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-iGZPtWXzE

Re: The Great Barefoot Running Hysteria of 2010

#36

I'd alway been prone to avoiding shoes. I started running when I was 16 (1986). During high school I'd run 10-14 miles a night about five days a week, mostly barefoot. I didn't start regularly wearing shoes until after college. Since I started wearing shoes there has been a significant change in my foot structure. My big toes have moved outward by at least 10 degrees. Before then they were directly in-line with the b…

For a couple of years, there was this barefoot guy who commuted on the same train as me to work. No matter the season, always barefoot. I must say, purely from a hygiene perspective, it felt uncomfortable looking at his feet. They were dirty and dusty in the same way shoes would pick up dirt.

What do your feet look like today ? Honest question.

Re: The Great Barefoot Running Hysteria of 2010

#37
There are so many things put together here almost randomly, because of that its easy to criticise the whole thing, but there are some reasonable things in it.

Having barefoot connection with soil is definitely good for you, so is any reasonable exposure to nature. The key here is exposure to nature, walking on asphalt or concrete is not nature. This is about walking barefoot so that your soles connect to the soil, earth, dirt, grass or sand. In the modern world of course you have to be careful and watch out for sharp objects, all kinds of garbage etc.

People who have a piece of land, garden or park access can definitely use it for barewalking, running or just standing - it doesn't matter as long as feet touch the soil, without any fancy, minimal, shoes or anything like that.

In many spiritual places they require you to remove your shoes and even your socks, there are certain benefits of doing that, but even the holiest of people would wear shoes when going on rough terrain, thats just a question of sanity.

Re: The Great Barefoot Running Hysteria of 2010

#38

The article is not telling what happened after the hysteria. This movement settled and manifested to a "natural running" idea. We now have Altra, Topo Athletic, Hoka, Invo8 and others, offering shoes with more or less flat soles. Encouraging you to run with a natural running pose. This does not mean cushioning wouldn't be allowed.

This. Shoes are meaningless, pose, stride, biomechanical process.

They can make a difference for athletes:

"The data showed significant differences in the oxygen uptake (a way to measure the energy cost of running) in the Vaporfly shoe resulting in a 2.8 percent improved running economy, or the amount of energy it takes a runner to go a certain distance, over the Adidas shoe on average"

https://lifesciences.byu.edu/can-your-shoes-really-make-you-...

Re: The Great Barefoot Running Hysteria of 2010

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post #4

It's a pretty good article. In that era I saw two major misconceptions around minimalism in running footwear. The first is the idea that heel-to-toe "drop" is the the main important metric -- of course, a shoe company thing. Actually what matters a lot more is proprioception -- the feeling of knowing where your foot is in space relative to the ground, and also the feedback your foot is getting from the ground. The se…

It's funny that people will hear about something new, misinterpret it, and then get angry about it.

Re: The Great Barefoot Running Hysteria of 2010

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post #4

It's a pretty good article. In that era I saw two major misconceptions around minimalism in running footwear. The first is the idea that heel-to-toe "drop" is the the main important metric -- of course, a shoe company thing. Actually what matters a lot more is proprioception -- the feeling of knowing where your foot is in space relative to the ground, and also the feedback your foot is getting from the ground. The se…

I think your proprioception point is huge. I sometimes randomly get a floppy foot. In anything but structurally sound shoes, I'm wrecked. Would barefoot running have avoided the problem or exacerbated the problem?

You are highly highly aware of your feet when running in shoes with 3mm of total rubber/padding.
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