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OpenAI Says It's "Over" If It Can't Steal All Your Copyrighted Work

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Re: OpenAI Says It's "Over" If It Can't Steal All Your Copyrighted Work

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Exact same way OpenAI does: by scraping data, ingesting it, processing it, incorporating it into its proprietary system, and using it to serve responses to queries. This is not to say that I thing that any of this is wrong. I think that if what Google or OpenAI do is illegal, then the law is wrong, not Google or OpenAI.

Last I checked Google is not buying or pirating books for Google Search they just grab free data that has been provided.

What do you mean by “provided”, exactly? Just because something can be accessed via HTTP GET request doesn’t mean it’s legal to fetch it, and does not give you an implicit license to do with it whatever you want. Google, in fact, will happily, scrape, index, and serve queries from PDFs of illegally pirated copyrighted books.

Re: OpenAI Says It's "Over" If It Can't Steal All Your Copyrighted Work

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Copyright infrigement is not stealing[0]. The person still has what they made. Not sure why they propigate it as theft. Seems like a pro copyright propaganda extremisit article which goes significantly against progress of advancements for arts and sciences. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowling_v._United_States_(19...

> against progress of advancements for arts and sciences.

No it’s always against commercialization. That’s why we have exceptions like political commentary, satire and in particular arts and sciences. The issue is about making money from someone else’s work.

You can still disagree with it of course, but let’s have an honest discussion.

Re: OpenAI Says It's "Over" If It Can't Steal All Your Copyrighted Work

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It seems that most people on this site believe that this is a good thing, but all this restriction would mean is that for the next while - the only companies able to afford mass licensing would be in the SPY 500, and that's assuming these companies wouldn't just flock to a nation outside of Americas influence.

At some point, it becomes a national security issue. This technology is going to be leveraged in ways we can't even dream up today. Copyright law needs to be re-imagined in a way that won't restrict advancement in AI, and AI-adjacent technology. It's not because we want to - it's because we have to.

Re: OpenAI Says It's "Over" If It Can't Steal All Your Copyrighted Work

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exact same way OpenAI does: by scraping data, ingesting it, processing it, incorporating it into its proprietary system, and using it to serve responses to queries. This is not to say that I thing that any of this is wrong. I think that if what Google or OpenAI do is illegal, then the law is wrong, not Google or OpenAI.

Last I checked Google is not buying or pirating books for Google Search they just grab free data that has been provided.

The same way we can't process what a trillion dollars looks like, we can't actually process what large scale theft looks like. For shits and giggles, these people also have a trillion dollars.

Re: OpenAI Says It's "Over" If It Can't Steal All Your Copyrighted Work

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How is Google search breaking copywrite?

Exact same way OpenAI does: by scraping data, ingesting it, processing it, incorporating it into its proprietary system, and using it to serve responses to queries. This is not to say that I thing that any of this is wrong. I think that if what Google or OpenAI do is illegal, then the law is wrong, not Google or OpenAI.

Search engines are an index to a first approximation. I realize they sometimes hoist a thesis sentence or two up to their page, but it feels substantially different than automating derivative works for sale.

Re: OpenAI Says It's "Over" If It Can't Steal All Your Copyrighted Work

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What I don't understand is why this is always presented as a "race" that "we" have to win or else. It's just such a strange framing to me and every time I see it, it's presented as some sort of self-evident truth, but I don't think it's self-evident at all.

Nature is a complex system. Many are in competition, it's not just humans. Most of these systems form a balance (see biodiversity). Due to resource scarcity, power tends to form which gives these power structures and advantage. Humans form these power structures arounds groups. This has been happening for as long as humans tribalised. Right now, humans can form these groups at nation-state level complexity and to some extent more global. This is humans current best effort. If you can do better, please do.

Re: OpenAI Says It's "Over" If It Can't Steal All Your Copyrighted Work

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You have to remember a company is not a social being with balanced obligations. Its obligation is to its owners and not to society. If OpenAI’s leadership weren’t saying precisely this, they wouldn’t be doing their jobs.

Yeah, we have a wrong conception. It's fine, society often has wrong conceptions. We are just dead wrong about ruthless capitalism. A company is a custodian of a good society, it has responsibilities that far exceed profit.

Re: OpenAI Says It's "Over" If It Can't Steal All Your Copyrighted Work

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You know, there's a creative third way which the US could approach if it had the cajones. Allow OpenAI and other AI companies to use all data for training, but require that they pay it forward by charging royalties on profits beyond X amount of profit, where X is a number high enough to imply true AGI was reached. The royalties could go into a fund that would be paid out like social security payments for every Americ…

Not to be funny on purpose, but we are having discussions in America currently on if we should finance aid for poverty and the like. I love your idea though.

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