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Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by Etheryte »

djoldman wrote: post #7

> This decision follows a similar case against Internet backbone firm Cloudflare. In January, the Court of Milan found that Cloudflare's CDN, DNS server, and WARP VPN were facilitating piracy. The court threatened Cloudflare with fines of up to 10,000 euros per day if it did not begin blocking the sites. I'm always curious about jurisdiction on this stuff. If Cloudflare had no physical machines, employees, and proper…

I'm not sure how there's any ambiguity to this? We're talking about the EU here. The same laws that enable you to do business across borders without having a legal presence in every country also outline how to deal with issues like these.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by miohtama »

perching_aix wrote: post #13

Am I correct in recognizing this as a new low, or is there a prior example for such a demand?

A Spanish judge ordered blocking of Telegram for the same reason.

https://medium.com/enrique-dans/why-blocking-telegram-in-spa...

It was reversed quickly on complaints, though.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by thayne »

geoffpado wrote: post #6
Kenji wrote: post #2

DOH is your friend. My regime poisons DNS and enabling DOH makes things accessible again.

Serious question: how is DoH supposed to help when the resolver itself is being asked to return bad results? DoH makes sense if something is MITM-ing your DNS requests, but it sounds in this case that Google is being asked to just straight-up return bad results?

I think the actual reason this works is because if you use DoH, you are probably also setting your resolver to something other than the default, which might not be poising the records.

So the real answer to governments requiring dns resolvers to censor results is to ... not use those resolvers. which is actually relatively easy to do. But most internet users don't even know what a dns resolver is, much less how to configure their browser to use a public resolver that isn't big enough to attract the attention of your government.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by Aachen »

djoldman wrote: post #7

> This decision follows a similar case against Internet backbone firm Cloudflare. In January, the Court of Milan found that Cloudflare's CDN, DNS server, and WARP VPN were facilitating piracy. The court threatened Cloudflare with fines of up to 10,000 euros per day if it did not begin blocking the sites. I'm always curious about jurisdiction on this stuff. If Cloudflare had no physical machines, employees, and proper…

What do you mean what law? See the court case, they've issued it and so they can either pay it or see what Italy wants to do about it

If you get a speeding ticket in North Korea and fly off before it arrives at the car rental, you can ask what law the rental is going to use to get the money from you abroad. You can not pay and choose to never visit the country again. In Cloudflare's case, however, they probably want to continue doing business in that market so just fleeing with the money is not likely the most profitable option for them

There's tons of international cases if you want to know more. It's also a common (to the point of trite) discussion point about GDPR saying it applies globally. Obviously it doesn't unless the non-treaty country lets an EU/EEA country enforce it (I am not aware that this ever happened) if the fined party does not care to continue doing business in the EEA

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by lifestyleguru »

bakugo wrote: post #8

> The goal is aimed at preventing illegal football streams It's impressive how much internet censorship in Europe is currently being caused by this one group of extremely greedy people. It's one of the rare cases where the sheer size and international influence of companies like Google and Cloudflare can actually do some good for the world by fighting back against such laws.

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Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by int_19h »

perching_aix wrote: post #13

Am I correct in recognizing this as a new low, or is there a prior example for such a demand?

Right there in the article:

"This decision follows a similar case against Internet backbone firm Cloudflare. In January, the Court of Milan found that Cloudflare's CDN, DNS server, and WARP VPN were facilitating piracy. The court threatened Cloudflare with fines of up to 10,000 euros per day if it did not begin blocking the sites."

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by mlhpdx »

Nux wrote: post #12
geoffpado wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: how is DoH supposed to help when the resolver itself is being asked to return bad results? DoH makes sense if something is MITM-ing your DNS requests, but it sounds in this case that Google is being asked to just straight-up return bad results?

DoH some other resolver, there's an internet outside Google, you know.

Exactly. In a world of many resolvers, poisoning a few doesn’t matter. In all likelihood the folks consuming these streams aren’t using mainstream DNS anyway.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by amarcheschi »

stalfosknight wrote: post #36

Why must the Europeans be like this? Why do they insist on fucking with a free and open internet instead of addressing the apparently unmet demand that is fueling a black market?

Please, do not confuse Europeans with the entities taking such actions. I know of nobody supporting such draconian measures. However, the government, the football league and the guys taking decisions at agcom (which in the past has been a serious and respected agency for the battle he took with tech companies) are, quite apparently, banding together to make the football league will become reality above anything else

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by perching_aix »

int_19h wrote: post #37
perching_aix wrote: post #13

Am I correct in recognizing this as a new low, or is there a prior example for such a demand?

Right there in the article: "This decision follows a similar case against Internet backbone firm Cloudflare. In January, the Court of Milan found that Cloudflare's CDN, DNS server, and WARP VPN were facilitating piracy. The court threatened Cloudflare with fines of up to 10,000 euros per day if it did not begin blocking the sites."

I was specifically referring to requesting DNS poisoning.
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