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Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

#31
Am I interpreting this correctly? It sounds like the lawsuit is filed on behalf of at least 6,632 employees. $28,000,000 distributed amongst that many is roughly $4,221.95. That's not even accounting for the law firm's stake. That seems like an absurdly low amount to pay to folks to say "sorry we screwed your career over".

Google can and absolutely should be paying these people more in compensation.

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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post #28

does anyone care if they perform better or does even suggesting that make me a racist in the modern world?

Exactly. You can't just simply assume that job performance is statistically independent of various seemingly unrelated traits. If you suspect age discrimination, you also can't just assume that age is uncorrelated with performance. Or being short sighted, or even things like weight or height. They may be uncorrelated, or they may be correlated.

Job performance as measured, yes, it already accounts for all biases/traits, including age, appearance, personality, performance, race and all other known/unknown biases that the people measuring the performance have.

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By the same numbers "Latinx+" are actually over-represented at Google and white people underrepresented. Neither by a large amount though. With how close the numbers actually are I wonder if the different biases of different HR people and hiring managers actually cancelled out pretty well.

> By the same numbers "Latinx+" are actually over-represented at Google… That's probably the case for much of California, where they're HQed.

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Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Google is guilty of a lot of things but this is a drive-by shakedown by predatory law firms.

Got any evidence for that? Is Google in the habit of paying out giant HR-related settlements for something other than protecting good ol' boys like Andy Rubin? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/andy-rubin-google-settlement-se... Google has enough money to hire the best law firms too. Why would any law firm engage in frivolous litigation against a potential future client? The linked settlement is 10X that of this one, whic…

>Why would any law firm engage in frivolous litigation against a potential future client?

Because the chances is getting a payout is greater than the chances of ever working for Google.

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same as the background rate: https://www.careerexplorer.com/careers/software-engineer/dem...

By the same numbers "Latinx+" are actually over-represented at Google and white people underrepresented. Neither by a large amount though. With how close the numbers actually are I wonder if the different biases of different HR people and hiring managers actually cancelled out pretty well.

Side rant. Cut the Latinx crap please, Latinos don't really feel represented by the force-fed "inclusive" name that straight up goes against their gendered languages. It's overriding the language to seem more inclusive in English

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

#36

Am I interpreting this correctly? It sounds like the lawsuit is filed on behalf of at least 6,632 employees. $28,000,000 distributed amongst that many is roughly $4,221.95. That's not even accounting for the law firm's stake. That seems like an absurdly low amount to pay to folks to say "sorry we screwed your career over". Google can and absolutely should be paying these people more in compensation.

Not getting a job at Google does not screw ones career over. I missed out on a job at Google and my career is doing great.

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

#37
This looks like a bad faith lawsuit to extract money. Given all the discrimination in corporate DEI programs, especially at big tech companies, what actually happened is almost certainly the opposite - white and asian employees were discriminated against, in favor of a set of groups that were seen as under represented. In reality, without the bias DEI programs created, white and asian employees would have probably been hired at higher rates and promoted more quickly.

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

#38
post #28

does anyone care if they perform better or does even suggesting that make me a racist in the modern world?

Exactly. You can't just simply assume that job performance is statistically independent of various seemingly unrelated traits. If you suspect age discrimination, you also can't just assume that age is uncorrelated with performance. Or being short sighted, or even things like weight or height. They may be uncorrelated, or they may be correlated.

Fun fact: You can almost always score at least $10-20k if you're fired from a job if you try hard enough.

I've been on the employer side of this... you fire someone who's performing badly, and then they come back 4 months later and sue the company for [insert made up thing here].

In our case, an ex-employee is suing us for not accommodating an anxiety and migraine disability, which they never disclosed and never requested accommodations for. So now we face a discrimination lawsuit (from a non-minority) based completely on falsehoods and things that never happened.

The reason people do this is because it works! Employers will almost always settle before it goes in front of a judge in order to avoid the hassle and cost of defending the claim.

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

#39

I wonder why “Black” employees were asked to be excluded from the lawsuit before Google agreed to settle.

In general, Google objected to the broadness of the class, which on initial filing covered all non-White employees. Specifically in regard to Black employees, they pointed out that some of the evidence presented suggested that Black employees actually earned less even than Latino and indigenous employees, so they might actually have opposing interests. There was also reference made to a different class action (Curley v. Google, in federal court) that would cover Black employees instead.

This got down to a pretty low level of details, not only specifically cutting the class down to "Hispanic, Latinx, Indigenous, Native American, American Indian, Native Hawaiian, Pacific Islander, and/or Alaska Native" employees but also explicitly excluding anyone in any of those groups who identified as Black.

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

#40

does anyone care if they perform better or does even suggesting that make me a racist in the modern world?

Why would group averages be helpful when making staffing decisions about individuals?

They can explain the "disparate impact".
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