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Moving away from US cloud services

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Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, let’s divide it into before and after the Trump era. Will we see the same trend once the new sheriff in town steps down for peace?

From a tech standpoint, nothing changed with Trump. The NSA had all the backdoors before Trump.

It's not just about backdoors; on a broader level, we're shifting toward a protectionist economic model, which contrasts sharply with globalism.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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post #30

One relatively simple thing we're missing on the Swedish cloud market is someone offering OIDC SSO, Chat, Video meetings, e-mail, calendar and file sharing. I can't even say which European company offers this, Proton maybe? Being a long time open source advocate I think it can be done, but system integration would never be as good as MS or Google. But this simple platform would get a lot of SMB's to migrate.

Legally Proton is not based in European Union nor European Economic Area. Switzerland is extra EU just like USA, China or Russia

You cant compare switzerland to china or russia lol

its more like EU is 10, switzerland is 11 or 12

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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post #29

The biggest elephants in the room are cloud providers, but I didn't find an easy alternative yet (hetzner, ovhcloud). ATM, the idea to the business is sold, that data resides somewhere near by in a datacenter, EU proximity. However, the EU businesses are realising that, well, whole region is at a mercy of one person.

OVH and Hetzner are excellent companies. I doubt there would be any problem with them in the future.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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About Bitwarden, i have a setting to use European server when I connect to and register a new account.

Wouldn’t it have been easier to just migrate from Bitwarden us server to European server ?

Proton pass free tier lack feature compared to Bitwarden.

Beside id argue that no cloud is better than European cloud. There is keepass for instance, with syncthing it works pretty well.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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About Bitwarden, i have a setting to use European server when I connect to and register a new account. Wouldn’t it have been easier to just migrate from Bitwarden us server to European server ? Proton pass free tier lack feature compared to Bitwarden. Beside id argue that no cloud is better than European cloud. There is keepass for instance, with syncthing it works pretty well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act

It doesn't matter where the servers are located physically

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legally Proton is not based in European Union nor European Economic Area. Switzerland is extra EU just like USA, China or Russia

You cant compare switzerland to china or russia lol its more like EU is 10, switzerland is 11 or 12

Then compare it to Singapore.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn't even a short-term trend. We saw posts like this a few years ago (in the blog post even admits he tried this before) and they went nowhere, just like this "movement" will.

I mean, let’s divide it into before and after the Trump era. Will we see the same trend once the new sheriff in town steps down for peace?

Bold of you to assume that the new sheriff in town (or any successors) will ever step down.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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I wonder if shifting to cloud providers in the EU will lead to the rise of giant European cloud companies in both technology and infrastructure, or if this is just a short-term trend.

I'd like that. Personally, I prefer to self host all my stuff. But I can't do that to our clients. I want to provide them with something that makes them independent from us, something they can just hire any random agency or freelancer to work on. That leaves AWS and Azure as strong options. There's a number of European cloud providers ( https://www.stackit.de looks especially interesting), but I'm looking for too-big…

Hetzner supports object storage now: https://www.hetzner.com/storage/object-storage/

Or you might consider Scaleway, who also do managed relational databases.

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