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Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by belorn »

jmull wrote: post #19

I guess this kind of article always gets attention, but they always seem so stupid to me. A thing exists that I don't want. I could: (1) ignore the thing; or (2) complain that the thing isn't something I want (1) seems so obviously the right thing to do. This goes double when the thing you do want does, in fact, exist . But, no, the internet opts for (2). I guess complaining just feels good, even when it's about some…

If ignoring the thing would work then people would do that. The problem is not that anti-consumer products exist along side pro-consumer products. It is that anti-consumer products out compete pro-consumer products to the point that all that remains (within reasons) are anti-consumer products.

There are market reasons for this behavior. Asymmetric information in markets (lemon markets), true cost obfuscation, hidden terms, platform capture, manipulations in form of anti-patterns, monopoly behavior, to just mention a few of the very large ones.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by bluefirebrand »

dangus wrote: post #20
jmull wrote: post #19

I guess this kind of article always gets attention, but they always seem so stupid to me. A thing exists that I don't want. I could: (1) ignore the thing; or (2) complain that the thing isn't something I want (1) seems so obviously the right thing to do. This goes double when the thing you do want does, in fact, exist . But, no, the internet opts for (2). I guess complaining just feels good, even when it's about some…

The author literally just bought the wrong device for their needs. Probably 95% of people who own computers do not need root access and should not have it, possibly ever. The iPad is a great device for all the people who need what it offers. It's an amazing graphical tablet, it's a cheap way to watch movies and play games, and it's an amazing system to use while standing without a desk (e.g., for retail and outdoor s…

> Probably 95% of people who own computers do not need root access and should not have it, possibly ever

But they should be able to take it to someone else who can use root access to fix it

The idea that a person should not have any access to be an admin of a physical device that they own is ridiculous

They might not need it, they might not ever use it, but they should absolutely be able to if a situation calls for it

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by pjmlp »

Apocryphon wrote: post #30
pjmlp wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some folks seem to be in the fashion that everything with a CPU can get a monitor and a keyboard attached to it, regardless of the original design purpose.

Why not? https://www.youtube.com/@BringusStudios

Personally I rather buy hardware fit for purpose.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by Daishiman »

jmull wrote: post #19

I guess this kind of article always gets attention, but they always seem so stupid to me. A thing exists that I don't want. I could: (1) ignore the thing; or (2) complain that the thing isn't something I want (1) seems so obviously the right thing to do. This goes double when the thing you do want does, in fact, exist . But, no, the internet opts for (2). I guess complaining just feels good, even when it's about some…

You are literally adding even less value than the article by commenting on how a supposedly useless article is useless.

And I don't agree. Those of us who know that markets have network effects and who believe that open computing is a value for humanity and closed systems opposite understand that it is value for new readers to know that things could be better, so as to steer at least some of the consumer choice away from these toxic, disposable products.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by Daishiman »

pjmlp wrote: post #26
dangus wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author literally just bought the wrong device for their needs. Probably 95% of people who own computers do not need root access and should not have it, possibly ever. The iPad is a great device for all the people who need what it offers. It's an amazing graphical tablet, it's a cheap way to watch movies and play games, and it's an amazing system to use while standing without a desk (e.g., for retail and outdoor s…

Some folks seem to be in the fashion that everything with a CPU can get a monitor and a keyboard attached to it, regardless of the original design purpose.

There is no reason apart from Apple's closed-source restrictive software policies that the device is nowhere near as useful as it could be.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by fragmede »

widforss wrote: post #15
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see visual artists and musicians having some decent use cases for them. Everyone I know who has an iPad that isn’t one of these professions is usually using it as an expensive portable streaming device

I think pastors and politicians have quite some use of them as well.

Or anybody that stands a lot without a desk handy, that doesn't want to use https://a.co/d/aqI3SvI and try type into a laptop.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by jmull »

belorn wrote: post #31
jmull wrote: post #19

I guess this kind of article always gets attention, but they always seem so stupid to me. A thing exists that I don't want. I could: (1) ignore the thing; or (2) complain that the thing isn't something I want (1) seems so obviously the right thing to do. This goes double when the thing you do want does, in fact, exist . But, no, the internet opts for (2). I guess complaining just feels good, even when it's about some…

If ignoring the thing would work then people would do that. The problem is not that anti-consumer products exist along side pro-consumer products. It is that anti-consumer products out compete pro-consumer products to the point that all that remains (within reasons) are anti-consumer products. There are market reasons for this behavior. Asymmetric information in markets (lemon markets), true cost obfuscation, hidden…

How would ignoring the ipad not have solved OP's problem?

They could have just replaced their old macbook with a new macbook.

Not that there's anything wrong with trying something new, IMO. But if you do so without doing any research, and it turns out to not be what you expected, there's nothing to complain about. Hopefully OP just returned the ipad and got a macbook upon realizing their mistake.

You seem to be suggesting something deceptive is going on here, but there doesn't seem to be any sign of that.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by linguae »

axpvms wrote: post #8

>Will we still have just three operating systems to choose from - of which only two are really suitable for a worker's desktop? That's going to go down poorly with the Linux enthusiasts

Unfortunately many people rely on proprietary software packages that don't run on Linux, such as Microsoft Office, the Adobe Creative Suite, and other desktop software tools that serve various niches like CAD, music, video production, desktop publishing, etc. There are often FOSS alternatives that run on Linux, but sometimes these alternatives have shortcomings that hinder adoption, such as lacking necessary features, having imperfect file format compatibility with proprietary file formats, having a less intuitive UI, etc.

With that said, the desktop Linux ecosystem has come a long way over the past 20 years that I've been following it, and I think desktop Linux serves the needs of people who are not reliant on the Windows and Mac ecosystems.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by linguae »

Daishiman wrote: post #35
pjmlp wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some folks seem to be in the fashion that everything with a CPU can get a monitor and a keyboard attached to it, regardless of the original design purpose.

There is no reason apart from Apple's closed-source restrictive software policies that the device is nowhere near as useful as it could be.

Agreed. The iPad, from a hardware point of view, is a close approximation to Alan Kay's Dynabook concept (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynabook). It's a shame that iPads are so locked down; I'd love to use an iPad with an unrestricted operating system.

I have a Microsoft Surface 7 Pro. Even though Windows is not my favorite operating system, I enjoy using the hardware. I'm also looking forward to Framework's upcoming 12" convertible tablet; I also have a Framework 13 laptop.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by pjmlp »

Daishiman wrote: post #35
pjmlp wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some folks seem to be in the fashion that everything with a CPU can get a monitor and a keyboard attached to it, regardless of the original design purpose.

There is no reason apart from Apple's closed-source restrictive software policies that the device is nowhere near as useful as it could be.

If it doesn't fit you, don't buy it only to complain.

There are other vendors with more open experiences.

If those vendors actually get enough market share, maybe even Apple might adopt them.

Exactly like they did with keyboards, pen, and windows management, that came before on PC and Android tablets.

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