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Gemma3 – The current strongest model that fits on a single GPU

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Re: Gemma3 – The current strongest model that fits on a single GPU

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can you expand a bit?

The model performs very poorly in practice, while in the benchmark it is shown to be DeepSeek V3 level. It's not terrible but it's at another level compared to the models it is very close to (a bit better / a bit worse) in the benchmarks.

In my experience, Gemma models were always bad at coding (but good at other tasks).

Re: Gemma3 – The current strongest model that fits on a single GPU

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In my opinion qwq is the strongest model that fits on a single gpu (Rtx 3090 for example, in Q4_K_M quantization which is the standard in Ollama)

Gemma 2 27B at 4 bits would be a drooling idiot anyway, even going down to 8 bits seems to significantly lobotomize it. Qwens are surprisingly resistant to quantization compared to most so it'll pull ahead just in that already in terms of coherence for the same VRAM amount.

We'll see if the quantization aware versions are any better this time around, but I doubt any inference framework will even support them. Gemma.cpp never got a a standard compatible server API so people could actually use it, and as a result got absolutely zero adoption.

Re: Gemma3 – The current strongest model that fits on a single GPU

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The claim of “strongest” (what does that even mean?) seems moot. I don’t think a multimodal model is the way to go to use on single, home, GPUs. I would much rather have specific tailored models to use in different scenarios, that could be loaded into the GPU when needed. It’s a waste of parameters to have half of the VRAM loaded with parts of the model targeting image generation when all I want to do is write code.

That's interesting. Are they often an amalgam of image & text tokens? Because, yeah, image generation is not interesting to em at all.

Re: Gemma3 – The current strongest model that fits on a single GPU

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I have tried a lot of local models. I have 656GB of them on my computer so I have experience with a diverse array of LLMs. Gemma has been nothing to write home about and has been disappointing every single time I have used it. Models that are worth writing home about are; EXAONE-3.5-7.8B-Instruct - It was excellent at taking podcast transcriptions and generating show notes and summaries. Rocinante-12B-v2i - Fun for s…

TBH, I REALLY like the tiny models. Like smollm2. Also lobotomized LLMs ("abliterated") can be a lot of fun.

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Re: Gemma3 – The current strongest model that fits on a single GPU

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I have tried a lot of local models. I have 656GB of them on my computer so I have experience with a diverse array of LLMs. Gemma has been nothing to write home about and has been disappointing every single time I have used it. Models that are worth writing home about are; EXAONE-3.5-7.8B-Instruct - It was excellent at taking podcast transcriptions and generating show notes and summaries. Rocinante-12B-v2i - Fun for s…

Do you mostly stick with smaller models? I’m pretty surprised at how good the smaller models can be at times now. A year ago they were nearly useless. I kind of like too the hallucinations are more obvious sometimes. Or at least it seems like they are.

Re: Gemma3 – The current strongest model that fits on a single GPU

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Anthropic hasn't released anything either AFAIK

They need to open source Sonnet 3.7. I know they won't, but a man can dream.

I'd wish people stop using "open sourcing" when speaking about models.

Open sourcing is about being able to change and replicate builds, they make the models "freely available" but the recipe on how they are made is kept secret.

It's akin to being able to download Windows shareware executables and calling that "open source" when nothing related to how the executables are build is available.

Re: Gemma3 – The current strongest model that fits on a single GPU

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I have tried a lot of local models. I have 656GB of them on my computer so I have experience with a diverse array of LLMs. Gemma has been nothing to write home about and has been disappointing every single time I have used it. Models that are worth writing home about are; EXAONE-3.5-7.8B-Instruct - It was excellent at taking podcast transcriptions and generating show notes and summaries. Rocinante-12B-v2i - Fun for s…

Ok, but have you tried Gemma3?

Re: Gemma3 – The current strongest model that fits on a single GPU

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I have tried a lot of local models. I have 656GB of them on my computer so I have experience with a diverse array of LLMs. Gemma has been nothing to write home about and has been disappointing every single time I have used it. Models that are worth writing home about are; EXAONE-3.5-7.8B-Instruct - It was excellent at taking podcast transcriptions and generating show notes and summaries. Rocinante-12B-v2i - Fun for s…

Do you mostly stick with smaller models? I’m pretty surprised at how good the smaller models can be at times now. A year ago they were nearly useless. I kind of like too the hallucinations are more obvious sometimes. Or at least it seems like they are.

I still find them useless. What do you use them for?
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