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The Tesla protests are getting bigger – and rowdier

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Re: The Tesla protests are getting bigger – and rowdier

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Post by tstomar »

xracy wrote: post #29
plsdont wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In most jurisdictions, damaging, destroying, defacing or otherwise affecting other people's property is usually considered an interference in their right to enjoy their property. This is usually described as vandalism or 'criminal mischief' in court and is a class A or B misdemeanor but for Teslas, since they're expensive to repair, this could amount to a felony. Hope that helped, and I'm happy to answer follow ons.

It's wild to me that this is a crime. To be clear, I understand that it is, but I don't want us to engage with the letter of the law, I want to engage with the spirit of "does it make sense that putting a sticker on something is a crime" This is literally something I see 5-year-olds do (put stickers on property) Like, I get there's risk to the paint of the vehicle, but we're talking about putting a sticker (light adh…

Stickers are not allowed for the same reason it is not allowed to spit on someone's car even though it is less damaging.

Re: The Tesla protests are getting bigger – and rowdier

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Post by xracy »

tstomar wrote: post #31
xracy wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's wild to me that this is a crime. To be clear, I understand that it is, but I don't want us to engage with the letter of the law, I want to engage with the spirit of "does it make sense that putting a sticker on something is a crime" This is literally something I see 5-year-olds do (put stickers on property) Like, I get there's risk to the paint of the vehicle, but we're talking about putting a sticker (light adh…

Stickers are not allowed for the same reason it is not allowed to spit on someone's car even though it is less damaging.

Yeah, I feel like you're not engaging with what I wrote. Also is spitting actually vandalism?

I understand stickers aren't allowed. I'm saying "Are we okay with living in a world where a 5-year-old could be arrested for felony "putting a sticker on someone's car"?

That's a wild line to draw, to me.

To take your spitting example, what about spraying a passing car with a hose? Vandalism? Really? Spraying with paint I understand, but surprise carwash is vandalism?

Feels like a pretty clearcut case where the law has overreached.

Re: The Tesla protests are getting bigger – and rowdier

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Post by tejasvi88 »

xracy wrote: post #32
tstomar wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stickers are not allowed for the same reason it is not allowed to spit on someone's car even though it is less damaging.

Yeah, I feel like you're not engaging with what I wrote. Also is spitting actually vandalism? I understand stickers aren't allowed. I'm saying "Are we okay with living in a world where a 5-year-old could be arrested for felony "putting a sticker on someone's car"? That's a wild line to draw, to me. To take your spitting example, what about spraying a passing car with a hose? Vandalism? Really? Spraying with paint I u…

I suspect 5yo won’t be arrested for hit and run either. What matters is the intent and the punishment proportional to the harm. If someone is doing unacceptable acts to my property I should have a way to disincentivize the act.

Re: The Tesla protests are getting bigger – and rowdier

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Post by ttyprintk »

ttyprintk wrote: post #18
Pigalowda wrote: post #13

The country’s citizens who aren’t part of the two personality cults are becoming violently opposed to the extra legally acting billionaire who is high on ketamine cutting up the 80 year old system that made him extraordinarily wealthy? Greed brings Americans together. That’s what makes America great. Only a small market correction and no official Q1 data and swing suburbia is starting to notice. Any further erosion o…

Under Joe Biden, people who wanted to complain about the economy often mistook their own feelings for “recession”. If you asked them to point to two consecutive quarters of negative growth, they’d look at you like you’re changing the subject. I expect we’re going to see a lot more Sharpies used in econometrics if the same decisions and personalities are still involved in Q3.

In fact, April 30 at 8:30 AM, we’ll see which definition of GDP they promote. Lutwick hints that he’d like the sum of all domestic transactions except for those with the government on one or both sides.

Re: The Tesla protests are getting bigger – and rowdier

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Post by xracy »

tejasvi88 wrote: post #33
xracy wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I feel like you're not engaging with what I wrote. Also is spitting actually vandalism? I understand stickers aren't allowed. I'm saying "Are we okay with living in a world where a 5-year-old could be arrested for felony "putting a sticker on someone's car"? That's a wild line to draw, to me. To take your spitting example, what about spraying a passing car with a hose? Vandalism? Really? Spraying with paint I u…

I suspect 5yo won’t be arrested for hit and run either. What matters is the intent and the punishment proportional to the harm. If someone is doing unacceptable acts to my property I should have a way to disincentivize the act.

you "suspect" a 5yo won't be arrested for a hit and run? Gosh, I'd love for a legal system to be based on a little bit more firm grasp than "suspicions" or else you and I don't have much of a hope of not committing crimes accidentally.

As someone who has taken a sticker off of a car, that someone else put on the car, before... it was fine. I was fine. No one was harmed in the removal of the sticker. Depending on the sticker it takes between 1 and 30 seconds to remove it.

The law is not a disincentive because people don't actually know the law. It will never be a disincentive because people do not understand the law. Which leads me back to my original question:

Why are we okay with a child risking a felony when they put a sticker on someone's car? They think it looks nice? Do we want to live in the world where this is at risk of being a felony? Note, I'm not talking about anything more destructive than a sticker.

It's clear the answer is yes, I just want you to think about what that means.

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