I am not convinced anyone is truly good at CSS unless its their only job
You suck at CSS and that's okay (2022)
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Re: You suck at CSS and that's okay (2022)
#32And the fix is another framework, because of course it's another framework. Frameworks are to CSS what greige paint is to a house. Trying to implement the missing 5% of a CSS framework without knowing how to implement "complex" CSS from the ground up means you are never implementing the missing 5%. Your site or app or whatever is just going to look like every other site that uses that framework. Now that CSS is more…
The argument I make in the book is that the last 5% of CSS/design should be written by people who can write CSS. Nobody else should even be writing CSS because it turns into a huge mess when everyone jumps in.
I mothballed this project because people were so incredibly cruel about it (a CSS project!). Remember that people who work on this stuff are people, and we're just trying to make things better. Also, you can pry .vertical-center from my cold, dead hands.
Re: You suck at CSS and that's okay (2022)
#33Hot take: you suck at CSS because you never bothered learning it.
A long time ago, everyone in my team kept making excuses why they hate css. I went to Lynda.com and found a pretty good class. I can't remember the instructor, but it was so good that I still use the same patterns more than a decade later. I tried to get the whole team to take it, but no one wanted to. "It's a waste of time", "It's not even a programming language."
They built all kinds of tooling around css, trying to avoid css. We had dormant css that no one could ever figure out if it was used, we had important and position absolute everywhere. Today, it's not so different. You see divs with 20 or 30 classes in them.
Just learn css. Any class is better than no class.
Re: You suck at CSS and that's okay (2022)
#34Just try not to be better at CSS than the latest version of any major browser.
Re: You suck at CSS and that's okay (2022)
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Re: You suck at CSS and that's okay (2022)
#36Tell that to a decent number of people I have worked with over the past 20 years. In fact, I know people to this day who have been writing CSS for decades who don't really know fundamental things like specificity, inheritance, or the cascade. Pattern matching into the sunset, not a single fundamental piece of CSS specifications ever internalized, still getting paid (its okay). https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/specs.en.ht…
I tried to use a framework on a web project recently, but looking at the two most popular frameworks... one of the results in every site looking the same, while the other is a step backwards to the bad old days in the worst possible ways. It was simpler to start from scratch, and I finally understood the cascade. I was actually able to drop most of the explicit class attributes, which led to a significant reduction in page size.
The primary purpose of frameworks was to work around the quirks in all the different web browsers out there, and to implement grid-like layouts before we had css grid, and to deal with the impossibility of centering a div natively. None of that is necessary these days, and hasn't been for a decade.
Re: You suck at CSS and that's okay (2022)
#37My view is that those who designed CSS suck when it comes to designing intuitive systems. I would not advocate constraint solvers, in the future I hope ViTs are so cheap to run that they can infer the right layout of things at any orientation and size in single digit milliseconds, solving the layout problem for good =)
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Re: You suck at CSS and that's okay (2022)
#38My view is that those who designed CSS suck when it comes to designing intuitive systems. I would not advocate constraint solvers, in the future I hope ViTs are so cheap to run that they can infer the right layout of things at any orientation and size in single digit milliseconds, solving the layout problem for good =)
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Re: You suck at CSS and that's okay (2022)
#39I detest writing CSS and HTML. I just find it boring fiddly and annoying. I have started doing "vibe" coding with LLM's. Giving a decent prompt produces results that are... pretty good. Almost 100% in lighthouse for both mobile and desktop, responsive, reusable components, dark/light mode and a design that was better than I could do in the 2-3 hours I spent doing it (while sipping wine). I know its not a solution for…
LLMs are great for building frontends for backend projects and backends for frontend projects
For CRUD I agree. A lot of what I am doing is a bit more complex then that.
I actually would be happy to just "vibe" code my way through most of the problems I deal with if LLM's were able to do it.
That said, they make a great intern or jnr developer you can hand tasks off. You have to review either way, but the LLM does it faster.
Re: You suck at CSS and that's okay (2022)
#40And the fix is another framework, because of course it's another framework. Frameworks are to CSS what greige paint is to a house. Trying to implement the missing 5% of a CSS framework without knowing how to implement "complex" CSS from the ground up means you are never implementing the missing 5%. Your site or app or whatever is just going to look like every other site that uses that framework. Now that CSS is more…
The argument I make in the book is that the last 5% of CSS/design should be written by people who can write CSS. Nobody else should even be writing CSS because it turns into a huge mess when everyone jumps in. I mothballed this project because people were so incredibly cruel about it (a CSS project!). Remember that people who work on this stuff are people, and we're just trying to make things better. Also, you can pr…
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