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Re: 62% of Canadians Plan to Avoid the U.S. for at Least the Next Year

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Post by pessimizer »

fzeroracer wrote: post #10
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #3

I am honestly baffled what this whole shitstorm is about. Like why did Trump want to bash on Canada in the first place? None of his purported reasons pass the laugh test. Fentanyl trafficking? As has been widely reported, less than 1% of fentanyl that has been caught enters through the Canadian border. And if Trump cares so much about drug trafficking, why did he pardon the Silk Road founder, which did over $200 mill…

I don't think there's a point in looking for a rationale. His mind is exceedingly addled and he's even less coherent than he was during his first term. Combined with delegating responsibility to a bunch of people high on various drugs constantly telling him to do X or Y or Z his policy is 'whoever talks to him first'.

This is fantasy. The guy does endless interviews and explains why he's doing everything he's doing, at length, and negotiates in public. You can hate it, but if he's addled then Biden didn't even count as alive for his entire term.

The reason that he came out of the gate so hard is due to extensive planning, and he's the only person during your lifetime who was the president, had four years off to reflect on it, then became president again. He recorded weird little videos of all of his future policies a couple of years ago, and he's not deviating from them significantly.

He's the least confused guy in politics right now. Whether you like it is a different story, but I personally am thankful that the worst, covert elements of the government made an enemy of him in his first term. The obvious temptation when handed a dystopian nightmare of surveillance, censorship, front groups, fake science, and an infinite mandate to the executive from Congress would be to use them. Thank god Trump actually hates them personally, and is petty.

Economically, he's sincerely trying to keep the US from paying the piper for the trade deficit we've been running for 40 years. He obviously actually believes in this. It is also completely mainstream economic theory. I wish there was a political force that could oppose him on policy and say why things should be done a different way, but the "resistance" base is still announcing that the walls are closing in on orange Hitler any minute. Policy is like kryptonite to anti-Trumpers right now. They refuse to argue anything on the merits, because they all sound like Reagan Republicans when they do.

Re: 62% of Canadians Plan to Avoid the U.S. for at Least the Next Year

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Post by awnird »

gruez wrote: post #28
awnird wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? You seem to be talking about a USA social phenomenon that happened in USA? You are gravely misunderstanding what is currently happening. Now that the depths of American treachery and bloodthirst have been laid bare, the mood in Canada is similar to January 2022 Ukraine. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/world/canada/trump-trudea...

>You seem to be talking about a USA social phenomenon that happened in USA? Corporations cashing in on the current thing is hardly something limited to the US. >You are gravely misunderstanding what is currently happening. Now that the depths of American treachery and bloodthirst have been laid bare, the mood in Canada is similar to January 2022 Ukraine. [retracted]

Don't take my word for it.

The explicit stated goal of the USA government is to invade Canada.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/world/canada/trump-trudea...

Re: 62% of Canadians Plan to Avoid the U.S. for at Least the Next Year

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Post by gruez »

awnird wrote: post #32
gruez wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You seem to be talking about a USA social phenomenon that happened in USA? Corporations cashing in on the current thing is hardly something limited to the US. >You are gravely misunderstanding what is currently happening. Now that the depths of American treachery and bloodthirst have been laid bare, the mood in Canada is similar to January 2022 Ukraine. [retracted]

Don't take my word for it. The explicit stated goal of the USA government is to invade Canada. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/world/canada/trump-trudea...

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Re: 62% of Canadians Plan to Avoid the U.S. for at Least the Next Year

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Post by [deleted] »

pessimizer wrote: post #31
fzeroracer wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there's a point in looking for a rationale. His mind is exceedingly addled and he's even less coherent than he was during his first term. Combined with delegating responsibility to a bunch of people high on various drugs constantly telling him to do X or Y or Z his policy is 'whoever talks to him first'.

This is fantasy. The guy does endless interviews and explains why he's doing everything he's doing, at length, and negotiates in public. You can hate it, but if he's addled then Biden didn't even count as alive for his entire term. The reason that he came out of the gate so hard is due to extensive planning, and he's the only person during your lifetime who was the president, had four years off to reflect on it, then…

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Re: 62% of Canadians Plan to Avoid the U.S. for at Least the Next Year

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Post by snailmailstare »

gruez wrote: post #33
awnird wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't take my word for it. The explicit stated goal of the USA government is to invade Canada. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/world/canada/trump-trudea...

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Putin spent a long time saber rattling before he invaded Ukraine. I guess they shouldn't have been concerned back then because nothing horrible started happening yet?

Re: 62% of Canadians Plan to Avoid the U.S. for at Least the Next Year

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Post by awnird »

gruez wrote: post #33
awnird wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't take my word for it. The explicit stated goal of the USA government is to invade Canada. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/world/canada/trump-trudea...

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In January 2022, Ukraine hadn't yet suffered a full scale invasion.

Maybe you need to read what you respond to more carefully? Or brush up on recent history. You seem very confused either way.

Re: 62% of Canadians Plan to Avoid the U.S. for at Least the Next Year

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Post by archagon »

pessimizer wrote: post #31
fzeroracer wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there's a point in looking for a rationale. His mind is exceedingly addled and he's even less coherent than he was during his first term. Combined with delegating responsibility to a bunch of people high on various drugs constantly telling him to do X or Y or Z his policy is 'whoever talks to him first'.

This is fantasy. The guy does endless interviews and explains why he's doing everything he's doing, at length, and negotiates in public. You can hate it, but if he's addled then Biden didn't even count as alive for his entire term. The reason that he came out of the gate so hard is due to extensive planning, and he's the only person during your lifetime who was the president, had four years off to reflect on it, then…

I feel like we're living in different realities. Whenever I try to watch Trump give a speech, I can hardly stomach more than a few minutes of it because the man seems incapable of stringing a coherent sentence together. (And no — despite his flaws, Biden did not talk like a four year old.) Outside of whatever executive orders the Project 2025 people dump on his desk, his public policy appears wildly aggressive and irrational, even to the point where leaders of neighboring countries are genuinely concerned about annexation[1]. And I'm not sure how you can claim with a straight face that the "dystopian nightmare of surveillance [and] censorship" isn't in effect with the DOJ threatening politicians for hosting webinars[2] and student visas being revoked via social media pattern matching[3]. (Just off the top of my head; there have been many other 1A transgressions over the past month.)

> Economically, he's sincerely trying to keep the US from paying the piper for the trade deficit we've been running for 40 years. He obviously actually believes in this.

Where is the evidence for this? "Obviously actually" are just weasel words. What's "obvious" to me over a decade of observation is that we have a pathological narcissist in power who cares (or thinks) little about anything other than himself and the things that directly enrich him. I seriously doubt he even knows what a trade deficit is.

(But yes, the people who prop up his signing hand certainly have a carefully constructed agenda, and they were never subtle about it.)

[1]: https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/how-trumps-51st-st...

[2]: https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/02/28/congress/ao...

[3]: https://www.cnbctv18.com/world/us-deploys-ai-to-revoke-visas...

Re: 62% of Canadians Plan to Avoid the U.S. for at Least the Next Year

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Post by gruez »

awnird wrote: post #36
gruez wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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In January 2022, Ukraine hadn't yet suffered a full scale invasion. Maybe you need to read what you respond to more carefully? Or brush up on recent history. You seem very confused either way.

>In January 2022, Ukraine hadn't yet suffered a full scale invasion.

My bad, edited the comments accordingly.

Re: 62% of Canadians Plan to Avoid the U.S. for at Least the Next Year

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Post by throwacct »

Interesting. I'm not from the US or Canada, but are Canadians really going to "war" against the US? They're going to lose +400B in trade potentially. No markets are waiting for those products. Just "play ball" with Trump, spend more on border security, block any drugs from entering the country that might start with the letter "f" and be done with that.

Re: 62% of Canadians Plan to Avoid the U.S. for at Least the Next Year

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

pessimizer wrote: post #31
fzeroracer wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there's a point in looking for a rationale. His mind is exceedingly addled and he's even less coherent than he was during his first term. Combined with delegating responsibility to a bunch of people high on various drugs constantly telling him to do X or Y or Z his policy is 'whoever talks to him first'.

This is fantasy. The guy does endless interviews and explains why he's doing everything he's doing, at length, and negotiates in public. You can hate it, but if he's addled then Biden didn't even count as alive for his entire term. The reason that he came out of the gate so hard is due to extensive planning, and he's the only person during your lifetime who was the president, had four years off to reflect on it, then…

> Economically, he's sincerely trying to keep the US from paying the piper for the trade deficit we've been running for 40 years. He obviously actually believes in this.

But this is not what Trump stated. The fact sheet he published on March 3 (https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/03/fact-sheet-pr...) doesn't mention anything about trade deficits; it says that the problem is cartel violence and fentanyl imports, and that the tariffs will remain only until "Drugs, in particular Fentanyl, and all Illegal Aliens stop this Invasion of our Country".

(This is why, if you're curious, there's no political force that can oppose Trump on policy. Whenever anyone reads a Trump policy and develops an argument for why it's wrong, his lieutenants and supporters pop up to dunk on you for being so deranged as to think Trump was being serious.)

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