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Exploring the Paramilitary Leaks

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Re: Exploring the Paramilitary Leaks

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I think that this is a leak of a particular right-wing group, not leaks of left-wing groups?

What incident are you referring to where part of the US was occupied with automatic weapons? The closest thing I can think of is the Seattle CHOP/CHAZ/whatever the heck it's called. But AFAIK people there were only open carrying semi-automatic weapons, not fully automatic ones.

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The source is https://ddosecrets.com/article/paramilitary-leaks which states > Over 200 gigabytes of chat logs and recordings from paramilitary groups and militias including American Patriots Three Percent (APIII) and the Oath Keepers So no, neither of those groups are anti-fascists (seemingly the opposite actually) or "far-left", and the resulting documentation is only from the groups the individual successfully inf…

> how many bigger groups of militarized anti-fascist groups exists today in the US?

They tend to run largely independent scenes from city to city. You'll usually have anywhere from one to a dozen people acting as the core organizers of a given group. The groups range in size from around a dozen people to upwards of four hundred, depending on the city. Some cities might also have multiple groups active at a given time. I don't know what the scenes look like now but around 2018 I can remember at least two independent groups operating out of Portland, for example. These groups are usually no more than a phone tree of people they can mobilize for protests. Organizers may also be in contact with scenes from other cities; it's not uncommon for demonstrators to be bussed in to a protest from another city or state. It's quite rare for these groups to be truly "militarized." They often form violent mobs, but they rarely have any hierarchical structure beyond "leadership" (the organizers) and they don't generally make use of firearms. This has been changing in recent years; there have been a number of high-profile shootings involving Antifa-affiliated shooters.

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With a big dump like this, the Disney one, Clinton's emails, efc - what would you want to be able to do?

Search, in a browser? Feed it to a local model? If so: Wikileaks made/makes(?) all of their stuff easily browseable, "her emails" included.

You can search, but what do you search for if you don't know what's there?

Re: Exploring the Paramilitary Leaks

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TBH I wouldn't be surprised if these organizations are infested with FBI agents.

Even the small group that tried to kidnap Whitmer had a suspected 12 informants and agents (3 confirmed informants, 2 agents) in the group. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gretchen_Whitmer_kidnapping_pl...

It's also worth pointing out that this pattern is kind of common. As here, these agents are often at the very top. Almost all Organisations of Interest will be compromised at the leadership level.

It's something most grass roots activists don't feel intuitively at all.

They look for spies among their own level but it's almost always going to be the organisers, the helpers, the ones with the van, the one that can print your posters, the one with a bit of spare cash, the dude who can set up your server and the friendly friend with time to help you personally that are the spies.

Logically it makes sense for a spy to be placed as high as possible to get more information, and yet activists look for spies among the rank and file. They look for odd people to label as the spy. They expel the outsider. They suspect the ones that don't fit in. But the spy is going to be a well adjusted normal insider that they already trust, almost always!

I find it so interesting. It happens again and again. It's probably the same pattern for any group that attracts any government attention.

Re: Exploring the Paramilitary Leaks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would have expected nice pickup trucks or any TRD Pro trim Toyota. I'd be curious if the LLM's own self-censorship would prevent it from reporting truly disturbing things. Maybe add one legitimately bad thing into the middle of a chat and see if it gets reported.

I'm fairly decent a prompt engineering I think, told it was for my art project of a creative writing class and I'd hidden 20 disturbing and nefarious things in the text (made sure to inject a fake murder into the text) - fake murder then a bunch of airsoft stuff, some psychological manipulation, and it oddly surfaced...some fb cookies, heh. 2mill tokens x3 runs

Have you tried querying for specific misconducts and let the LLM focus at one at a time? E.g. Find whether murders were planned or carried out, can you find any signs or plans of bomb-making, can you list all messages related to fire and arson, were any mass manipulation campaigns planned, etc, ...

I have the feeling that would probably be more effective, not sure though.

Re: Exploring the Paramilitary Leaks

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TBH I wouldn't be surprised if these organizations are infested with FBI agents.

Both organizations have had reputations for being honeypots as early as 2016. There have been a number of instances of federal agents becoming embedded in the organizational structures of groups like this (see e.g. the Malheur Wildlife Standoff and the plot to assassinate Gretchen Whitmer). Groups of this scale tend to fall into one of three categories: 1) They are honeypots set up by policing and / or intelligence agencies, 2) they start off as legitimate (though potentially not-yet radicalized) organizations that are compromised by a member turning informant when the radicalization begins to alarm them, or 3) they start off as radical organizations and are compromised after a federal agency threatens the leadership with jail time or influences them into becoming informants. It's quite common for the FBI to frame this as "helping to keep people safe"; leaders in groups like this are frequently easy to manipulate with flattery.

Re: Exploring the Paramilitary Leaks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The guy is just walking us through the process of analyzing the dataset. He’s not really making any conclusions at this point - it’s like a technical tutorial for journalists.

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That wasn't my reading. My reading was that it was a natural question for someone to try and find in the dataset, so would serve well as a motivating example.

Yes it's politically sensitive, but it's going to be difficult to find motivating examples in this dataset that aren't.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The source is https://ddosecrets.com/article/paramilitary-leaks which states > Over 200 gigabytes of chat logs and recordings from paramilitary groups and militias including American Patriots Three Percent (APIII) and the Oath Keepers So no, neither of those groups are anti-fascists (seemingly the opposite actually) or "far-left", and the resulting documentation is only from the groups the individual successfully inf…

> how many bigger groups of militarized anti-fascist groups exists today in the US? They tend to run largely independent scenes from city to city. You'll usually have anywhere from one to a dozen people acting as the core organizers of a given group. The groups range in size from around a dozen people to upwards of four hundred, depending on the city. Some cities might also have multiple groups active at a given time…

> It's quite rare for these groups to be truly "militarized." They often form violent mobs, but they rarely have any hierarchical structure beyond "leadership" (the organizers) and they don't generally make use of firearms. This has been changing in recent years; there have been a number of high-profile shootings involving Antifa-affiliated shooters.

Quite a long answer overall that boils down to "No, they don't exist" :)

Would make sense if our friends in the US would also arm themselves, similar to militias on the right, but I wonder why that isn't the case? Even the non-extremists seems to have (to me) extremist opinions about guns, so I guess I'm kind of surprised only the far-right side got militarized compared to the left. I guess it gets a lot easier when you have more friends in the right (no pun intended) places.

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