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Zelensky says he is ready to negotiate peace

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Re: Zelensky says he is ready to negotiate peace

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He fled because literally half of kyiv was protesting. He was going to get impeached because he spent 15 years being pro EU and then reneged. He ordered the berkut to shoot protesters so he might have been charged with crimes for that.

Why wasn’t he impeached? Isn’t that the right way to handle it?

His security forces started shooting protesters? You can just look this stuff up.

Re: Zelensky says he is ready to negotiate peace

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I believe that the mineral deal had a security guarantee from the U.S. "at some future date" like the "infrastructure plan" still on hold for 8 years, meaning empty. Look at all the "cancellations" of Biden programs in one month. One side should not pay in advance while the other is free to renege. Perhaps European leaders filled that vacuum. Or perhaps it's a recalibration given a two-front war.

>Perhaps European leaders filled that vacuum.

Sure thing, US gets Ukraine's valuable minerals and Europe foots the bill for Ukraine's defense.

Re: Zelensky says he is ready to negotiate peace

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On Ukraine's terms, Russia just has to give up its dreams of conquering Ukraine. On Russia's terms, Ukraine has to give up its existence as an independent country, half its people and most things of value within the country. Either way, Russia won't get its non-US overseas frozen assets back.

I've heard that Russia is demanding NATO withdraw to 1990 borders.

Which is obviously nonsense, because no NATO country has expanded since 1990.

Re: Zelensky says he is ready to negotiate peace

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They "lost their vote"? Yanukovych fled, that was his choice. It also ignores the donbas voters who voted for him because of the EU treaty. And they held elections after in which donbas votes counted the same as everyone else. Donbas also voted for Ukraine independence from the Soviet union in the 90s. Putin demanded yanukovych cancel the EU treaty and instead sign a treaty with Russia. He threatened to stop selling…

Didn’t he flee because he was at risk of harm? That still doesn’t remove him from the presidency. There’s a process for that which wasn’t followed - the vote isn’t a substitute.

Yanukovych fled because even his own party turned on him after police snipers killed over a hundred people. Instead of securing a political deal with other parties to safeguard his future (as he had hoped), he faced the possibility of arrest and criminal prosecution. So he just ran away before it could happen, left Ukraine for Russia and never returned.

Ukraine's parliament assembled and unanimously scheduled a snap presidential election, which was held a few months later. The Ukrainian people subsequently elected a new president.

Re: Zelensky says he is ready to negotiate peace

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Isn't Zelensky always ready to negotiate peace? The problem is that Russia isn't. Not without so many strings attached that Ukraine actually finds it more advantageous to continue fighting.

Right. We've already negotiated peace in Ukraine, and the issue is that it is not respected by Ukraine's adversaries. "Strong leadership" means lasting peace. Nobody is going to win a Nobel prize for being a puppet of the Russian Federation. With respect to the Budapest memorandum, this is organized harassment, not negotiations.

You might want to look at the previous Nobel Peace Prize recipients.
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