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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by throw_m239339 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #4
_ra61 wrote: post #3

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> Supported by former Democratic intellectuals like Glenn Greenwald. What? Greenwald was never a Democrat. Anti-Bush isn't the same thing as Democrat.

> What? Greenwald was never a Democrat. Anti-Bush isn't the same thing as Democrat.

Greenwald is a liberal, he was kicked out of liberal circles after the Hunter Biden's laptop story, the liberal elite wanted to suppress during the elections.

Bary Weiss is also a liberal, now hated by the liberal press for blasphemy on a certain subject.

Same with Matt Taibbi, he showed up on MSNBC regularly even on Maddow, now the left calls him a right winger...

See the pattern?

Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by insane_dreamer »

while pausing the “aid” may save the US gov money; the money was mostly coming back to the US anyway in the form of weapons purchases. NYT:

> The order takes effect immediately and affects more than $1 billion in arms and ammunition in the pipeline and on order. Mr. Trump’s directive also halts hundreds of millions of dollars in aid that Kyiv can use only to buy new military hardware directly from U.S. defense companies.

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Post by 0rzech »

bigyabai wrote: post #24
ndidowneb wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Does the Budapest Memorandum ring any bells?

In the Budapest Memorandum USA promised not to attack Ukraine if it gives back Russian nukes to Russia. They kept the promise.

In the same memorandum Russia promised the same thing. They broke the promise. Repeatedly.

Nonetheless, I agree that more countries should develop their own nukes. Especially the ones like Poland, Baltics and Nordics. Not because it's a good thing to do, but because the world is what it is.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

arunabha wrote: post #19

It would be one thing if there was a clear policy and adherence to it. In that case, you could discuss and reason in good faith. However there is no such indication that this decision is based on a considered policy. Trump's supporters would say that this is a result of not wanting the US being involved in foreign conflicts. That is a laudable goal, however that is not what is happening here. From the article > On Fr…

Good for Europe in the long run (potentially)

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Post by butterlettuce »

silverquiet wrote: post #21
ndidowneb wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do you legitimately believe this administration is just doing things at random with no plan or thought whatsoever?

Is it really that difficult to believe? When you see a crazy person on the street yelling into the air, do you think that there must be someone there that he can see that you cannot?

Non-sequitur

A crazy person yelling at nothing on the streets is not the same as a president with a suit and tie inside theWhiteHouse.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

creato wrote: post #9
_ra61 wrote: post #3

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It's really tiring seeing the HN enlightened conservatives talking as if there is a coherent policy here. Withdrawing military support for Ukraine alone might be reasonable, I disagree with it but I can see the sense in it. But Trump is absolutely wrecking every relationship we have in the world, trading or otherwise, except with Russia, where he wants to remove sanctions and increase trade. Even if you disregard all…

Also increasing military support for an even more entangled crisis - Israel.

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

nuccy wrote: post #6

Thus two messages for every other country: 1. Make nukes, never give up on those regardless of what assurances of safety you get 2. If you are bigger and stronger - you are right, do whatever you want, international laws and rules do not matter any more Lets see where all this will bring the world to in the next 10 years or a generation.

Also Europe will have to increase its nuclear arsenal since it is clear that Europe can't no longer rely on US. Europe was too trusting for too long.

Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by insane_dreamer »

ndidowneb wrote: post #11
creato wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really tiring seeing the HN enlightened conservatives talking as if there is a coherent policy here. Withdrawing military support for Ukraine alone might be reasonable, I disagree with it but I can see the sense in it. But Trump is absolutely wrecking every relationship we have in the world, trading or otherwise, except with Russia, where he wants to remove sanctions and increase trade. Even if you disregard all…

do you legitimately believe this administration is just doing things at random with no plan or thought whatsoever?

Yeah. There is very little evidence of coherency.

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Post by jordanb »

Trasmatta wrote: post #5

This was clearly the plan all along. The farce at the White House was just the pretense.

Yeah I think the whole thing was planned in Riyadh between Trump, Putin and MBS.

Which makes one wonder what MBS's role is. My theory is that he will organize OPEC production cuts, designed to boost Russia's economy and crush Europe's.

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