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Mozilla site down due to "overdue hosting payments" [fixed]

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Re: Mozilla site down due to "overdue hosting payments" [fixed]

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IMO if I lose someone's business because they can't pay the bill... Good? Right?

Is this a case of can’t pay? It sounds more like a error. So you would loose out on future revenue.

You'd lose out on headaches from your customer not paying and having to waste resources following up on it.

If they can pay, then just pay for the service they got.

Seems pretty straightforward.

Re: Mozilla site down due to "overdue hosting payments" [fixed]

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO if I lose someone's business because they can't pay the bill... Good? Right?

Is this a case of can’t pay? It sounds more like a error. So you would loose out on future revenue.

Once they figure it out, they can come back as a paying customer. :)

It's not the provider's responsibility to help their customer get their sh#t together.

Re: Mozilla site down due to "overdue hosting payments" [fixed]

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post #32
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a case of can’t pay? It sounds more like a error. So you would loose out on future revenue.

Once they figure it out, they can come back as a paying customer. :) It's not the provider's responsibility to help their customer get their sh#t together.

This is a fine attitude to have if your problem is that you have too many customers.

Re: Mozilla site down due to "overdue hosting payments" [fixed]

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO if I lose someone's business because they can't pay the bill... Good? Right?

Is this a case of can’t pay? It sounds more like a error. So you would loose out on future revenue.

You typically get multiple reminders. If that's "an error", then that's an error that will happen again and again and again.

That's a problematic customer you don't want unless you're otherwise broke or want to keep them for other reasons (e.g. publicity).

Re: Mozilla site down due to "overdue hosting payments" [fixed]

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It's a pretty good way to get the bill paid to be honest I also run a B2B SaaS and I have found that over time the customers who I think are going to be terrible for paying, typically tend to be very good at paying and the customers who I think are going to be very good for paying (in that they have good standing in the community in things like that) tend to be pretty bad at paying on time (and with NET30 and all) Ul…

We've been overdue on something like this, but a public notice would have left us moving to a competitor. It's easy for it to happen if a colleague is away for a month, or has left, and the bill isn't being seen by anyone. Do you read (do you even receive?) out-of-office replies to your invoices? Of course it shouldn't be on an individual's email, but with annual billing it's easy to overlook.

You’re making assumptions with details we don’t have. For all we know Mozilla is eight months behind on payment and this happens regularly.

In your scenario, the hosting company’s reaction seems extreme. In mine, it seems mild. The truth is we just don’t know and should refrain from bold defences until more details are in.

Re: Mozilla site down due to "overdue hosting payments" [fixed]

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post #31
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a case of can’t pay? It sounds more like a error. So you would loose out on future revenue.

You'd lose out on headaches from your customer not paying and having to waste resources following up on it. If they can pay, then just pay for the service they got. Seems pretty straightforward.

Yeah, but you also lose all the income from that customer to save a few bucks for sending an extra invoice…? The customers who pay a little late have never been a noticeable cost for us.

The ones that contact support for every little thing or those that have a million strange feature requests on the other hand.

Re: Mozilla site down due to "overdue hosting payments" [fixed]

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I suspect the moral of the story is devops and operations staff need to keep all payments, secret rotations, certificate expirations, etc. on a calendar so no one forgets to pay the bills. I hope the employee who forgot to pay the bill learns from this.

More likely no-one "forgot" to pay. Typically administration optimizes payments. Getting a large corp to pay a small contractor or service provider at all let alone on time can prove to be a nightmare.

Re: Mozilla site down due to "overdue hosting payments" [fixed]

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a case of can’t pay? It sounds more like a error. So you would loose out on future revenue.

You typically get multiple reminders. If that's "an error", then that's an error that will happen again and again and again. That's a problematic customer you don't want unless you're otherwise broke or want to keep them for other reasons (e.g. publicity).

Multiple reminders to the same person isn't much use if he's in hospital, and you're ignoring the out-of-office replies.

The time this happened to us, I was pleased the company looked at our website and phoned the receptionist. We paid the bill within an hour, and moved the responsibility to the finance and IT teams.

Maybe there are too many customers who just ignore bills for services they no longer want to use, I don't know, but given these companies usually have a sales team it would seem worth the time to make a call or write a personal email to an existing customer to maintain their custom.

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