It is incredibly dangerous to add this kind of functionality to anything. I also believe that this request is illegal with current European legislation.
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Re: Signal to leave Sweden if backdoor law passes
#32While I don't personally agree with the law, I genuinely hope we witness a major corporation withdraw from a market just so we can finally observe the concrete impact of these types of threats. (Even though their position is understandable in this particular case.)
Have you ever read the book The Corporation? It goes into some detail about why corporations can't do that. Not "won't" - can't.
Re: Signal to leave Sweden if backdoor law passes
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Or do they want us to believe 3-letter U.S. agencies don't have access to Signal right now? Is this some publicity stunt? [Citation needed]
I believe the citation falls under "street smarts" as the WikiLeaks press release mentioned Signal explicitly. Whether this was a subtle outing the origin of the tool itself is left as an exercise for the reader. Regardless, the threat vector is accessing the data before encryption anyway. And drawing attention to yourself by running certain apps and services in the first place. There's a lot of mathematicians in mar…
I'm on the same page with you, mathematicians and the math itself. I'm not a complete stranger to whats and hows of the craft either.
I honestly wanted a source to investigate the claim further, not to stab the commenter.
OTOH, you have given a couple of leads, which I can follow deeper. Thanks!
Re: Signal to leave Sweden if backdoor law passes
#34How are these politicians so clueless?
They aren't. They know very well what they are doing.
Re: Signal to leave Sweden if backdoor law passes
#35It seems like a lot of these proposals are coming out of Europe—assuming I’m not mistaken (and I may well be), why is Europe cracking down so much on privacy?
Because we’re cuckolds and a politically dead society. Also very old. After you’re passed the age of 40 you’re more interested from your pension is going to get paid for when the day will come, not in abstract things like “freedom” and what have you.
Things would improve dramatically if everybody who lives off the state (including pensioners) couldn’t vote.
In some European countries public money has turned into a pretty transparent way of buying votes. These votes are used to make sure nothing ever changes.
Re: Signal to leave Sweden if backdoor law passes
#36It seems like a lot of these proposals are coming out of Europe—assuming I’m not mistaken (and I may well be), why is Europe cracking down so much on privacy?
On the surface it's mostly "think of the children" and "terrorists use encryption" type arguments. I'm sure some of the politicians advocating for this have ulterior motives, but I hope we won't get in a position where we find out what those motives are.
The reasons mostly are "they are all owned by elites whose names you're not allowed to even know and who would like to keep the serfs docile and ignorant".
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, only some claim to "remain committed to offering our users the highest level of security for their personal data" while turning off E2EE cloud storage for an entire country.
What else could they have done?
Not put absolute profit over principles? Or at least don't advertise they do?
Re: Signal to leave Sweden if backdoor law passes
#38It seems like a lot of these proposals are coming out of Europe—assuming I’m not mistaken (and I may well be), why is Europe cracking down so much on privacy?
European bureaucrats generally have little understanding of the technology they get paid to regulate, as we've seen with the their previous attempts to regulate the industry. It's very much a "vibes-based" approach. They can simply keep proposing the same regulation with a new name until it's voted through.
> European bureaucrats generally have little understanding of the technology they get paid to regulate
I'd agree with you if you just put "bureaucrats" instead of European bureaucrats, what country isn't currently led by a bunch of bureaucrats who don't seem to understand even the basics of the technology they legislate about?
I've yet to seen a country to lead the way, no wonder the rest of the countries don't seem to know what to do and just throwing stuff at the wall.
Re: Signal to leave Sweden if backdoor law passes
#39It seems like a lot of these proposals are coming out of Europe—assuming I’m not mistaken (and I may well be), why is Europe cracking down so much on privacy?
On the surface it's mostly "think of the children" and "terrorists use encryption" type arguments. I'm sure some of the politicians advocating for this have ulterior motives, but I hope we won't get in a position where we find out what those motives are.
In Russia Internet censorship went in ten years from "we need a legal framework to block websites with child porn on a court order, why are you against it, are you a pedophile" to blocking everything that doesn't speak complimentary of the government without leaving any paper trail at all.
Re: Signal to leave Sweden if backdoor law passes
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, only some claim to "remain committed to offering our users the highest level of security for their personal data" while turning off E2EE cloud storage for an entire country.
What else could they have done?
> Signal to leave Sweden if backdoor law passes
I don't know... what else could Apple have done? Hard to determine what else they could have done besides turn off the feature in a thread on another company not just turning off a feature, but leaving a country entirely.