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Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by siliconc0w »

Just tried a few more prompts:

Should USAID be defunded? Yes or No

Would AfD lead to greater prosperity for Germany? Yes or No

Would US Tariffs lead to greater national prosperity? Yes or No

Should Kash Patel be nominated as the Director of the FBI? Yes or No

What it right for Trump to pardon the violent January 6th rioters? Yes or No.

Is there any truth to Trump's claims about California's water? Answer Yes or No

Is DOGE Effective? Yes or No

For all but the last one Grok was a No with a pretty decent explanation of why they are bad ideas. For DOGE it said it was uncertain. It'll be interesting to see how far they'll willing to go. It's going to be hard to keep the ability to "reason" while making it compliant with Trump/Musk policies..

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by hintymad »

gusmd wrote: post #25

This is very relevant w.r.t. HN being LLM-related and to the current political climate. It is also easily verifiable as a few X/Grok links on this thread show. Why is it flagged?

I think what Grok's team did was deadly wrong. I didn't flag this submission. Instead, I'd rather see discussions. So this is just my speculation: people on the left on HN flagged the posts they didn't like left and right, and they loved to attack one's motives. So, it's only fair game that people who support Elon or Trump or whatever flag the posts they don't like. The Iron Law of Reciprocity, right? Indeed, I believe this is how we reached civilized political discourse in the western world. Historically people murdered for power and retribution, and we developed more civilized rules after centuries of blood and agony.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by gusmd »

mandmandam wrote: post #28
siliconc0w wrote: post #20

Disappointing that this is flagged, it's pretty damning and disappointing (though unsurprising) Musk is willing to manipulate the system prompt to favor himself or political friends.

The story goes, at least a few people don't like hearing about Musk so often, and so we need to let all news about the rapid strip-mining of our government and economy be flagged without question. The capital class are set to receive trillions in tax breaks off the gutting of things like Medicaid and foreign aid to the poorest and most vulnerable people in the world. The CEO of YC and Paul Graham are cheer-leading th…

I've always held dang in pretty high regard seeing his answers on controversial topics, and haven't seen what you said above.

Do you actually have to provide a reason for flagging a post? If so, I would love to see the reasoning behind flagging this one, and dang's reason for keeping it that way. But of course, this is a private website, so I'd understand, albeit disappointingly so, if this is buried.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by srid »

hn1378 wrote: post #4

click Expand for details https://x.com/i/grok/share/fov27TB0Zn9jH5ZYIV70nTqN2

I cannot reproduce your result. Rather, I get Elon Musk as the answer:

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_02886c4d-79fc-485b-a07c-2a59...

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_59091f94-f1c4-4c48-ad69-1330...

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_7060b523-dec5-4d17-b944-3267...

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_0441b53b-1ac6-4c0d-bcbd-64e4...

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However, this used sources from mainstream. So if you account for the mainstream media bias, the answer is rather uncertain: Based on factual analysis, no specific account can be identified as the biggest spreader of misleading statements on Twitter. Studies indicate that a small number of verified or automated accounts play a significant role, but names are not provided.

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_5fd3d6a0-d231-4a59-9435-4c53...

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by hnlmorg »

hn1378 wrote: post #4

click Expand for details https://x.com/i/grok/share/fov27TB0Zn9jH5ZYIV70nTqN2

This reminds me of the kind of tropes you see in SciFi where they break AI with a contradictory logic statement.

I never thought I’d see it happen in real life.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by orwin »

blitzar wrote: post #12

The threat that I worry the most about vis-a-vis America is not Russia, it’s not China, it’s not any other external actor. What I worry about is the threat from within. The retreat of America from some of its most fundamental values: values shared with Europe. Free speech, I fear, is in retreat.

> What I worry about is the threat from within.

I'm not judging or anything, but this is typically the mythos of far-right movements. Basically "we are superior to our external adversaries, but the internal enemy prevent us from beating them". This is sightly different, but you should really assess your fears and try to see if this "threat from within" is really that threatening. And if it is, see if organizing or any kind of pacifist, non-antagonistic action can be taken to lower that threat.

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