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US Space Force reveals first look at secretive X-37B space plane in orbit

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Re: US Space Force reveals first look at secretive X-37B space plane in orbit

#31

How far from earth are they to took that picture?

Pretty far. In LEO it's hard to see much of Earth in one shot since you're still so close.

https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/x-37.htm

This source indicates an 38,000 km apogee, which is is about 1/10 the distance to the moon, and just barely beyond geostationary.

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#32
post #8

Why might it be desirable to have an observation craft so far away from the earth? I'm having a hard time imagining the advantage compared to being a bit closer, unless it's a more energy-efficient parking situation while the vehicle isn't in active use.

My understanding is it’s on an offset elliptical orbit. This is essentially the farthest point away from earth with the other end of orbit being very close to Earth. From a tactical perspective, that means this can interact with basically any other satellite.

As well as change orbital characteristics (apogee, perigee, inclination) at reasonably low cost, enabling closer observation of specific portions of Earth, or of objects in space.

Burns at closest approach (perigee) have the largest influence on total orbital characteristics. Burns at furthest approach (apogee) can raise the entire orbit if desired.

(Or so I understand.)

Re: US Space Force reveals first look at secretive X-37B space plane in orbit

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is it’s on an offset elliptical orbit. This is essentially the farthest point away from earth with the other end of orbit being very close to Earth. From a tactical perspective, that means this can interact with basically any other satellite.

With a far point so far away from Earth it also means that it requires only tiny amounts of fuel for major orbit changes.

My orbital mechanics is (like most people) weak, is this intended as a generalized physical threat to other satellites?

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#34
post #8

Why might it be desirable to have an observation craft so far away from the earth? I'm having a hard time imagining the advantage compared to being a bit closer, unless it's a more energy-efficient parking situation while the vehicle isn't in active use.

This thing is definitely out of SAM range, so that's an advantage.

Re: US Space Force reveals first look at secretive X-37B space plane in orbit

#35

Given the military heritage of the Space Shuttle, I imagine this is what a hypothetical next generation civilian Space Shuttle might have looked like, too.

Given the constraints of reaching orbit, surviving reentry, and cross-range capabilities there's a general lack of variability in spacecraft design. Some of us are old enough to remember promotional/propaganda materials concerning the original Boeing X-20 "Dyna-Soar" engineering designs from the 1950s which strongly resemble the subsequent US Space Shuttle, the Soviet Buran orbiter, and the Boeing X-37B and X-40:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-20_Dyna-Soar>

Re: US Space Force reveals first look at secretive X-37B space plane in orbit

#36

When even your secret programs have to do marketing. Don’t cancel me bro!

In the book Skunk Works , Ben Rich laments that Lockheed was often passed over for contracts and missions because their achievements were so classified that the various branches of the military didn't know that things like stealth technology were possible, let alone already in production. Sometimes weren't even invited to bid on projects to develop technology that they'd already developed. Marketing of secret project…

Was it Lockheed who simply ran a regular marketing campaign for NGAD and then later scrubbed references to it

Re: US Space Force reveals first look at secretive X-37B space plane in orbit

#37
post #30

Given the military heritage of the Space Shuttle, I imagine this is what a hypothetical next generation civilian Space Shuttle might have looked like, too.

How big is the payload bay on this thing? The whole craft is only 29 feet long, so it's not carrying a Hubble in to orbit.

The NRO doesn't need this thing to lift its birds into orbit. Keyhole satellites have gotten rides on Deltas and Titans, so probably going to be sticking their thumbs out in the direction of SpaceX pretty soon.

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#38
post #5

I can't be the only one who, when I read "space force" hears a deep, reverb-heavy, Buck Rogers kind of voice going "spaaaaaaaace foooooooorce"

You say Buck Rogers, but I hear the Muppets with Piiiigs in Spaaaaace!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmI77ZBeJrQ

Re: US Space Force reveals first look at secretive X-37B space plane in orbit

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is it’s on an offset elliptical orbit. This is essentially the farthest point away from earth with the other end of orbit being very close to Earth. From a tactical perspective, that means this can interact with basically any other satellite.

As well as change orbital characteristics (apogee, perigee, inclination) at reasonably low cost, enabling closer observation of specific portions of Earth, or of objects in space. Burns at closest approach (perigee) have the largest influence on total orbital characteristics. Burns at furthest approach (apogee) can raise the entire orbit if desired. (Or so I understand.)

Burns at perigee have best efficiency to make in-plane changes (raise or lower orbit) due to the Oberth effect.

Burns at apogee have best efficiency for out-of-plane maneuvers (change orbital inclination plane) due to lowest velocity of the spacecraft.

Highly elliptical orbits can do both at a few hours' notice.

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