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Neo Gamma (Home Humanoid)

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Re: Neo Gamma (Home Humanoid)

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Post by uoaei »

krsdcbl wrote: post #13
uoaei wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the humanoid form factor is the only viable shape for serving labor in a home I have never heard a good argument for why this might be the case. Anyone care to chime in? I know that "built environment" and "ergonomics" exist but generally there is a lot of open space in a home that allows for a vast array of possible form factors.

almost everything you have in your home is built for humans, so adopting this form factor is the likeliest to fit everywhere and be able to operate everything

That's a thought-terminating cliche with no actual basis in fact. I see no evidence that your "so" is indeed an explanation.

Re: Neo Gamma (Home Humanoid)

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Post by noduerme »

Judgmentality wrote: post #28
alsodumb wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's teleop, they are pretty open about it. It's not autonomous. They do have an RL controller running for the legs, but it's just an intermediate controller and it probably get high level commands from a teleoperator. The upper body is purely teleop.

So you're paying someone to operate your robot on top of the cost of the robot? I'm very skeptical, even if this technology worked flawlessly, that this would scale towards a profitable business. I understand that not every robot would require 24x7 human assistance, but still - this is a very optimistic business model. Robotics has always been in competition with minimum wage labor. How long could you hire a maid bef…

In fact, they have openings for robot operators on their jobs page:

https://www.1x.tech/open-positions/android-operator-mountain...

Re: Neo Gamma (Home Humanoid)

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Post by corysama »

Judgmentality wrote: post #28
alsodumb wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's teleop, they are pretty open about it. It's not autonomous. They do have an RL controller running for the legs, but it's just an intermediate controller and it probably get high level commands from a teleoperator. The upper body is purely teleop.

So you're paying someone to operate your robot on top of the cost of the robot? I'm very skeptical, even if this technology worked flawlessly, that this would scale towards a profitable business. I understand that not every robot would require 24x7 human assistance, but still - this is a very optimistic business model. Robotics has always been in competition with minimum wage labor. How long could you hire a maid bef…

Their thesis is that you cannot get the training data for a robot in the home from a lab or a simulation. You have to actually put a robot in real homes with all their messy details.

But, how to do that safely? First they build a robot with low gear ratios, low weight, pinch points covered. So, if it literally falls on you it’s low risk.

Then they have humans teleoperating it in first-person VR with 1:1 hand control.

The more times humans do any particular task through the robot, the more the robot learns to do that task in real world situations.

It’s the most thoughtful plan for robotics I’ve seen yet by far.

https://youtu.be/2ccPTpDq05A

Re: Neo Gamma (Home Humanoid)

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Post by pzo »

Judgmentality wrote: post #28
alsodumb wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's teleop, they are pretty open about it. It's not autonomous. They do have an RL controller running for the legs, but it's just an intermediate controller and it probably get high level commands from a teleoperator. The upper body is purely teleop.

So you're paying someone to operate your robot on top of the cost of the robot? I'm very skeptical, even if this technology worked flawlessly, that this would scale towards a profitable business. I understand that not every robot would require 24x7 human assistance, but still - this is a very optimistic business model. Robotics has always been in competition with minimum wage labor. How long could you hire a maid bef…

Teleoperation could be useful with geo arbitrage. Whats the cost difference of hiring welder, plumber, cook, maid, taxi driver, security guard, receptionist in US comparing to LATAM or SEA countries? You could pay someone 3x market price of those cheap countries and probably still this would be 2-3x cheaper than in US. I think this is still a huge market even if those robots won't be autonomous.

Re: Neo Gamma (Home Humanoid)

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Post by numpad0 »

pzo wrote: post #34
Judgmentality wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're paying someone to operate your robot on top of the cost of the robot? I'm very skeptical, even if this technology worked flawlessly, that this would scale towards a profitable business. I understand that not every robot would require 24x7 human assistance, but still - this is a very optimistic business model. Robotics has always been in competition with minimum wage labor. How long could you hire a maid bef…

Teleoperation could be useful with geo arbitrage. Whats the cost difference of hiring welder, plumber, cook, maid, taxi driver, security guard, receptionist in US comparing to LATAM or SEA countries? You could pay someone 3x market price of those cheap countries and probably still this would be 2-3x cheaper than in US. I think this is still a huge market even if those robots won't be autonomous.

> geo arbitrage

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Re: Neo Gamma (Home Humanoid)

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Post by numpad0 »

sockaddr wrote: post #19

It's really telling how we're shaping our artificial helpers to not have a mouth, but eyes are alright. As if they're allowed to receive input but they should not bother us with any output! For me an ideal artificial helper would be something I could have in the house and talk back and forth with while it works or have it as part of the dinner conversation. Think Bicentennial Man. Now that's what I want.

Could be simple skill issue. Lots of uncanny valley problems are. ASIMO had a lip, GLaDOS (in 2) has oil stain where the lower lip would be.

Considering the overall goofiness of the face of this particular bot, I think it could well be attributable to lack of talent or reluctance from positive supernormal stimulus.

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