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Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

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Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course not, why should the CEO be forced to use last year's model of yacht? Frankly I don't know how anyone lives with less than ten million these days.

If the CEO made $0, what would the impact on Mozilla’s balance sheet be? Hint: not significant

If that had an impact on the CEO's behavior, the resulting 2nd order change might be significant.

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the CEO made $0, what would the impact on Mozilla’s balance sheet be? Hint: not significant

If the store clerk took home some of the supplies, what would the impact on the company's balance sheet be? Not significant but she'd be setting the wrong example by doing so. If the CEO of a non-profit insists on "pay equity" with her for-profit equivalents she should look for a job in a for-profit, not leach dry the non-profit. Enough of the bullshit with overpaid and underperforming Mozilla CEOs, time for a real c…

The CEO receiving a salary that was agreed upon through negotiation is very different from shoplifting and I hope that you can see that and come up with a better analogy.

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

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"While Firefox remains the core of what we do"

Um excuse me? Mozilla has been asleep at the wheel for years, letting Firefox languish while Mozilla plays squirrel with a dozen other things nobody knows or cares about. In fact, I guarantee you that outside of nerd culture, nobody has any idea what Mozilla is. But maybe they have heard of Firefox.

You should be shouting *Firefox Firefox Firefox!* from the rooftops with a massive new ad campaign aimed at growing marketshare rapidly. Then find creative ways to respectfully monetize your enthusiastic fanbase.

This seems like Software Business 101 to me, which is why I am continually mystified you seem unable to grasp these basics.

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the CEO made $0, what would the impact on Mozilla’s balance sheet be? Hint: not significant

If the store clerk took home some of the supplies, what would the impact on the company's balance sheet be? Not significant but she'd be setting the wrong example by doing so. If the CEO of a non-profit insists on "pay equity" with her for-profit equivalents she should look for a job in a for-profit, not leach dry the non-profit. Enough of the bullshit with overpaid and underperforming Mozilla CEOs, time for a real c…

I broadly agree, though then the argument would be "well the best CEOs would go to for-profit places", and we might get worse CEOs leading the non-profits; if we had the non-profit pay for-profit wages, then they might be more appealing to more talented people.

I'm not sure I actually agree with this argument, to be clear. I don't even know that I think the CEO does all that much; Elon Musk is the CEO of like three or four companies while also leading a government agency, indicating to me that "CEO" is not a difficult job, so I don't know that we necessarily need "the best" CEO anyway.

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the store clerk took home some of the supplies, what would the impact on the company's balance sheet be? Not significant but she'd be setting the wrong example by doing so. If the CEO of a non-profit insists on "pay equity" with her for-profit equivalents she should look for a job in a for-profit, not leach dry the non-profit. Enough of the bullshit with overpaid and underperforming Mozilla CEOs, time for a real c…

The CEO receiving a salary that was agreed upon through negotiation is very different from shoplifting and I hope that you can see that and come up with a better analogy.

It's different, I don't think they're claiming that it's directly equivalent, but they were responding to the claim that "7 million isn't significant in the grand scheme of things", and they're arguing that "just because it might not be a significant number doesn't necessarily mean we just let it slide".

I don't think anyone is accusing the Mozilla CEO of "stealing" the money.

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

#37

I think that if Mozilla is not interested in further developing Firefox, they should split off Firefox to its own entity. Then the people who wants to work on/support Firefox can solely work on Firefox, and other people who wants to pursue whatever tech-of-the-day is (eg. crypto, VPN, AI) can push whatever agenda they want in their own org. Instead of the current state where the other-agendas people are riding on Fir…

> I think that if Mozilla is not interested in further developing Firefox, they should split off Firefox to its own entity.

They won’t do this because then they can’t redirect any of the donations and funding that people give to Firefox to .

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

#39

Let. Me. Pay. For. Firefox. I pay for other services online. I pay for VPN, for ElementaryOS, for Fastmail. Paying is fine. I pay, you give me a service that does not spy on me. It is not that hard.

Have you ever donated? What services do you want that shouldn't be available to non-paying users.

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

#40
post #23

I wish Mozilla would get into revenue generating, web-maximalist products like an office suite alternative to Google Workspace and Microsoft. I think there are a fair number of people who want a significant brand behind these, but also an alternative to the mega-corp offerings. ie, instead of Thunderbird (which I know isn't developed by Mozilla anymore), create a hosted email platform with a PWA that can run and stor…

It would be interesting to see Mozilla diversify itself from its Google stipend, but there seems to be an inherent conflict of interest at play when a non-profit like Mozilla starts to expand its offerings beyond the core product; the tendency is for leadership to use these projects for empire-building. Wikipedia suffers from a similar problem where the core product is great, but the parent foundation uses the produc…

This is why I think that web-centric, open source, hosted core apps would be nice to see.

If you want to use the web as your primary application runtime, you're currently stuck with closed-source apps, or pretty bad open source apps that are difficult to integrate.

Sandstorm did (and still is as a community project) try to integrate some existing apps into a cohesive-ish platform with nice security guarantees, but it wasn't really made accessible to every day users.

Something similar to Google Workspace, but open source and hosted by a foundation could be a nice default starting point and/or a principled platform to use, for a lot of users.

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