Live data from Hacker News

America stopped caring how poor kids do in school

slowboring.com

31–40 of 59 posts

Re: America stopped caring how poor kids do in school

#31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "essentially religious reasons"

[flagged]

> Progressivism is really a form of religion, disguised as a political system.

No more than all political (and otherwise ideological or values-based) systems are; there's no “disguise” in involved.

Re: America stopped caring how poor kids do in school

#33

A consequence of the end of the cold war and a belief among many that a few, exceptional individuals are responsible for the bulk of the ingenuity that powers economic growth.

I mean, that belief is clearly true. Look how much Musk has given to society. PayPal / Tesla / SpaceX / OpenAI / Neuralink.

So why educate poor kids? The exceptional will rise to the top regardless or emigrate to the US as long as we make it attractive to anyway. If all that matters is GDP and relative geopolitical strength of course.

Re: America stopped caring how poor kids do in school

#34
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So they became demons and proved the progressives correct. Or more realistically, they took the masks off. I've seen this argument a few times and the utter lack of self-awareness behind it always amuses me. It's literally the logic of comic book supervillains. "They call me a racist, so I'll became the most racist racist of all time, that'll show them!"

Strawman. No one said anything about racism.

Not a strawman. Your thesis is that progressives "went around demonising everyone and everything," that includes racism and racists. And progressive anti-racism is a common source of contention right-wingers have about progressives, so it is also clearly relevant to the context of your comment.

But feel free to substitute whatever progressive thing it is that progressives complain about that you prefer to wrap into the right-wing persecution complex, it's all the same.

How about this, in general terms: "They called me x so I became x" isn't a reaction which people who don't already possess x as a trait generally have, for some anti-progressive values of x that include but are not limited to "antisemitic," "racist," "sexist," "fascist," "homophobic" or "transphobic."

Re: America stopped caring how poor kids do in school

#35
post #11

It's so obviously the phones. How is a child who grew up watching YouTube shorts supposed to sit through an entire novel without getting bored? They're used to quick and easy dopamine hits. If you want literacy to come back, stop giving children YouTube shorts, TikTok, or Cocomelon.

At a certain age they will make that decision for themselves - you can't micromanage or monitor your kids' activities all the time. It's the same in every generation, it was TV at one point, then games, then youtube, then tiktok, and I'm sure the next generation in 10 years or so will scoff at whatever the younger generation does to get their distraction / dopamine hits.

That said, in the Netherlands there's been a ton of schools that have banned phones on the premises for various reasons. It's IMO ineffective as long as they also get laptops or tablets from the school, but it's a step in the right direction. There was just too much distraction and abuse; in a local example, there were anonymous "gossip" accounts on the various social media that would record and publish loads of random shit happening at school, often leading to cyberbullying and whatnot.

Re: America stopped caring how poor kids do in school

#36

Is it about wealth or about innate talent or their family’s culture? I’m genuinely asking. I’ve seen poor kids do well in schools when their family cares about grades or when they’re just plain smart. The amount of money they had I don’t think held them back.

Do you think the amount a parent can care and show interest in their children's education could be correlated to financial freedom?

Maybe depends on how poor? My experience was even poor parents were able to care. But I think more extreme cases could be different - like if they’re both rarely at home and they don’t have others to help raise the kids, then I think the family culture doesn’t really exist.

Re: America stopped caring how poor kids do in school

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, that belief is clearly true. Look how much Musk has given to society. PayPal / Tesla / SpaceX / OpenAI / Neuralink.

So why educate poor kids? The exceptional will rise to the top regardless or emigrate to the US as long as we make it attractive to anyway. If all that matters is GDP and relative geopolitical strength of course.

So that they can become contributors to society.

Economically, they still won’t be net contributors, only the top few percent are, but you still want them to contribute to the best of their ability.

Re: America stopped caring how poor kids do in school

#38
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was blessedly slow to learn this, but a significant chunk of the population is motivated by hate.

[flagged]

You're getting downvoted, but I think that's sort of the same effect that you're describing.

Demonizing (or behavior on that spectrum) isn't unique to any side. It draws one side together but repels rather than converts the other side. Not demonizing creates a lot of what is considered "PC speech".

Which demonizing quotes from progressives do you remember hearing/reading? Not any vague retellings of something someone else heard. You do recall how Springfield immigrants' pet eating was not real.

Re: America stopped caring how poor kids do in school

#39

This is missing the forest for the trees. The cost of almost everything government related is going up because the amount of money going to pensions is reaching its peak (the rate of increase was quite high for the last 15 years, that rate is starting to taper off significantly, and will pretty much flat line in 15 more years). When a huge portion of your education spending is going to pay people that aren't working…

Australia’s superannuation system is how retirement funding in the US should work.

Sadly NIHS is a severe problem in the US.

*NIHS = Not Invented Here Syndrome

Re: America stopped caring how poor kids do in school

#40
post #6

> The basic story is that during the aughts, we had a bipartisan education reform consensus that was focused on improving school quality as an attainable and important driver of social and economic progress. No Child Left Behind? It created tremendous incentives to teach to the test, and in some cases where that wasn't enough, to cheat to the test.

No Child Left Behind incentivised teaching to the level of the lowest denominator. That's a not just a problem in education. Lowest denominator thinking is endemic throughout America. Don’t be surprised if countries that seek excellence, like China, eventually have economic growth that outpaces America for this reason alone.

Seeking excellence and demanding ideological conformity at the risk of prison don't seem compatible to me.
Post reply on HN