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Google defends scrapping AI pledges and DEI goals in all-staff meeting
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Re: Google defends scrapping AI pledges and DEI goals in all-staff meeting
#32The AI items are concerning. The DEI stuff though is gone and isn’t coming back. The concept was well intentioned but, quite ironically, these programs turned into a hub of biased discriminatory behavior and it was becoming increasingly hard to paint them as anything else.
> these programs turned into a hub of biased discriminatory behavior
Similarly, individual companies may have fumbled DEI initiatives, but years on, I think it will have had a (small) positive impact.
Re: Google defends scrapping AI pledges and DEI goals in all-staff meeting
#33The AI items are concerning. The DEI stuff though is gone and isn’t coming back. The concept was well intentioned but, quite ironically, these programs turned into a hub of biased discriminatory behavior and it was becoming increasingly hard to paint them as anything else.
How is DEI discriminatory? Do you know of studies that have statistics to back up the claim?
Re: Google defends scrapping AI pledges and DEI goals in all-staff meeting
#34Google used AI to summarize the ~200 questions its employees posed ahead of this meeting regarding its DEI and AI policies. The final two paragraphs of the article are telling: The third-most-popular question employees asked was why the AI summaries were so bad. “The AI summaries of questions on Ask are terrible. Can we go back to answering the questions people actually asked?” it read. I thought summarization was a…
What, Googlers don't like AI summaries shoved down their throat? Too bad, it's a feature, and features can't be disabled! :)
You will eat your slop and you will enjoy it
Re: Google defends scrapping AI pledges and DEI goals in all-staff meeting
#35The AI items are concerning. The DEI stuff though is gone and isn’t coming back. The concept was well intentioned but, quite ironically, these programs turned into a hub of biased discriminatory behavior and it was becoming increasingly hard to paint them as anything else.
> The concept was well intentioned but, quite ironically, these programs turned into a hub of biased discriminatory behavior and it was becoming increasingly hard to paint them as anything else. I think the programs basically did nothing. They were ineffective. Yet, that made a lot of people really angry.
I’d argue they had reverse intentions in that it over fit on discriminatory hiring (against white men)
Re: Google defends scrapping AI pledges and DEI goals in all-staff meeting
#36The AI items are concerning. The DEI stuff though is gone and isn’t coming back. The concept was well intentioned but, quite ironically, these programs turned into a hub of biased discriminatory behavior and it was becoming increasingly hard to paint them as anything else.
There was a zero chance the company with the best AI LLM models would not get involved in weaponization, willingly or not. DAI is going to be one of the first things the next administration brings back, mark my words. Saying it's discriminatory is like saying affirmative action is discriminatory
my guess is any new administration would realize it’s a massive political loser.
i’m personally in favor of some limited AA in unis, but if even black people are majority against AA when polled… it’s definitely not coming back. might be that this changes once minority groups realize how much of an impact it was actually having, i think a large segment of people convinced themselves that a lot more of these admissions were by pure merit than is supported by the data.
Re: Google defends scrapping AI pledges and DEI goals in all-staff meeting
#37The AI items are concerning. The DEI stuff though is gone and isn’t coming back. The concept was well intentioned but, quite ironically, these programs turned into a hub of biased discriminatory behavior and it was becoming increasingly hard to paint them as anything else.
There was a zero chance the company with the best AI LLM models would not get involved in weaponization, willingly or not. DAI is going to be one of the first things the next administration brings back, mark my words. Saying it's discriminatory is like saying affirmative action is discriminatory
Affirmative action is discriminatory. It is literally discriminating between different people based on sex, race, religion, or gender identity. You can argue it's good discrimination, but it is by definition discrimination.
Re: Google defends scrapping AI pledges and DEI goals in all-staff meeting
#38The AI items are concerning. The DEI stuff though is gone and isn’t coming back. The concept was well intentioned but, quite ironically, these programs turned into a hub of biased discriminatory behavior and it was becoming increasingly hard to paint them as anything else.
How is DEI discriminatory? Do you know of studies that have statistics to back up the claim?
I can tell you at Apple where I worked for almost a decade in the last year I see teams 99% made up of DEI hires. Apple should share the data.
Re: Google defends scrapping AI pledges and DEI goals in all-staff meeting
#39The AI items are concerning. The DEI stuff though is gone and isn’t coming back. The concept was well intentioned but, quite ironically, these programs turned into a hub of biased discriminatory behavior and it was becoming increasingly hard to paint them as anything else.
How is DEI discriminatory? Do you know of studies that have statistics to back up the claim?
its preferential hiring or at minimum recruiting/sourcing on the basis of race, its discriminatory by definition
Re: Google defends scrapping AI pledges and DEI goals in all-staff meeting
#40Google used AI to summarize the ~200 questions its employees posed ahead of this meeting regarding its DEI and AI policies. The final two paragraphs of the article are telling: The third-most-popular question employees asked was why the AI summaries were so bad. “The AI summaries of questions on Ask are terrible. Can we go back to answering the questions people actually asked?” it read. I thought summarization was a…
AI can’t do summaries but let’s unleash it on our military.
Makes sense