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Re: Blocklist for AI Music on YouTube

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Post by hnlmorg »

z7 wrote: post #26

The beginning of a new kind of discrimination - call it 'synthetic racism.' AI-generated music is being dismissed outright even before listening to it, not based on quality or enjoyment but purely on its artificial origin. Just as past prejudices dismissed art based on heritage rather than merit, we're now seeing a new bias against anything not 'human-made.'

Art is an emotional experience. Sometimes people enjoy art because it elicits an emotion in them. And sometimes they enjoy art because of the emotional effort that went into it from the creator.

It’s the same reason some people don’t like generic pop music due to its formulaic commercialism.

So if people are discriminating AI art because they want to experience the emotions that the authors put into the pieces, then I’m ok with that right up until it can be argued that AI experiences emotions.

Re: Blocklist for AI Music on YouTube

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

brookst wrote: post #16

In ten years this will be as quaint as a blocklist for music that uses samplers would have been in 1980. Not to say there’s no value today; most pure AI music is terrible and I don’t want to listen to it. But that’s a very temporary state of affairs.

It's more like not listening to 'elevator music' covers back then.

Re: Blocklist for AI Music on YouTube

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

z7 wrote: post #26

The beginning of a new kind of discrimination - call it 'synthetic racism.' AI-generated music is being dismissed outright even before listening to it, not based on quality or enjoyment but purely on its artificial origin. Just as past prejudices dismissed art based on heritage rather than merit, we're now seeing a new bias against anything not 'human-made.'

Show me an AI with a point of view.

Show me an AI with an opinion; an aesthetic preference.

Show me an AI that has emotions.

Show me an AI that’s chosen to make sacrifices to produce its art.

AI cannot produce art. Images are not intrinsically art. Sound is not intrinsically art. Art requires thought and intent. AI is not capable of either.

Re: Blocklist for AI Music on YouTube

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Post by PUSH_AX »

GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #34
z7 wrote: post #26

The beginning of a new kind of discrimination - call it 'synthetic racism.' AI-generated music is being dismissed outright even before listening to it, not based on quality or enjoyment but purely on its artificial origin. Just as past prejudices dismissed art based on heritage rather than merit, we're now seeing a new bias against anything not 'human-made.'

Show me an AI with a point of view. Show me an AI with an opinion; an aesthetic preference. Show me an AI that has emotions. Show me an AI that’s chosen to make sacrifices to produce its art. AI cannot produce art. Images are not intrinsically art. Sound is not intrinsically art. Art requires thought and intent. AI is not capable of either.

Gee let’s hope free will is real, otherwise this take gets really awkward.

Re: Blocklist for AI Music on YouTube

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Post by concerndc1tizen »

z7 wrote: post #26

The beginning of a new kind of discrimination - call it 'synthetic racism.' AI-generated music is being dismissed outright even before listening to it, not based on quality or enjoyment but purely on its artificial origin. Just as past prejudices dismissed art based on heritage rather than merit, we're now seeing a new bias against anything not 'human-made.'

There is no intent, so it is no more discriminatory than removing autumn leaves is discrimination against trees.

Re: Blocklist for AI Music on YouTube

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Post by andersa »

gs17 wrote: post #21
hexage1814 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI music rocks. Especially the ones made on Udio, which I think it's the best model as of right now. I hope we soon have a "Flux" like equivalent model, but for music, that you can run locally/fine-tune,etc...

There's YuE: https://github.com/multimodal-art-projection/YuE But running it locally will need a bit more GPU power than an image model.

It's also far inferior to Udio or Suno.

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Post by wruza »

GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #34
z7 wrote: post #26

The beginning of a new kind of discrimination - call it 'synthetic racism.' AI-generated music is being dismissed outright even before listening to it, not based on quality or enjoyment but purely on its artificial origin. Just as past prejudices dismissed art based on heritage rather than merit, we're now seeing a new bias against anything not 'human-made.'

Show me an AI with a point of view. Show me an AI with an opinion; an aesthetic preference. Show me an AI that has emotions. Show me an AI that’s chosen to make sacrifices to produce its art. AI cannot produce art. Images are not intrinsically art. Sound is not intrinsically art. Art requires thought and intent. AI is not capable of either.

You may get most of that by prompting. You can create really based or emotional characters even with “aligned” models (with a little realignment). Have you ever talked to an LLM that allows system prompting? Heard of [E]RP? You can even teach them to not produce idiotic bullet points.

I won’t argument on the art part, but these common AI stereotypes are not true.

Re: Blocklist for AI Music on YouTube

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Post by gmuslera »

MyOutfitIsVague wrote: post #23
gmuslera wrote: post #22

Why "awful"? In what is different AI generated music and organic, free range, supposedly human made one? I mean, how do you tell what percent of today's commercial music has been generated more with a calculator than through inspiration or whatever? In the end, made by inspiration or by some algorithm, following patterns, marketing studies or whatever, by AI or not (if there are cases you can tell), what matters is y…

For many people, the human factor is the most important point. I'm not against AI music if it was as good as human music (it still very much is not for anything that's not extraordinarily generic and mainstream, or free form jazz), but many people see most arts as a conversation, not just consumption.

But the conversation part is something happening only in your side. Music, books, a good part of modern media seem to be done because the algorithms said that it will be sold more than someone having the intention of having a conversation with you.

And then the AIs are making something that, from your point of view, are indistinguishable from whatever happened before. What makes it more or less real than what was already happening, from your side?

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