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Re: Trump administration to fire thousands at health agencies

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Post by dubcanada »

csoups14 wrote: post #18
dubcanada wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude has been department head for a day? Do we have such little faith that we judge a person before a single stroke of the pen? While historical actions do speak loud, having a bad past does not mean you are a bad person. Nor does it mean your policies will reflect your personal beliefs. There have been tons of individuals who set aside their beliefs and done a fantastic job.

We're supposed to withhold judgment on somebody who has directly led to the deaths of several dozen children? Are you really implying there is no one who is better qualified to lead HHS?

Does it sound like I am suggesting that? That's certainly not my question. I don't think RFK should be anywhere near anything. But he is. So the only option is to accept that, and hold off judging someone until bad policies are released.

It's entirely possible RFK feels extreme regret for such incident and wishes to help prevent it from happening again. It's also entirely possible RFK will do a decent job, just like it's possible he will be replaced in 6 months.

There is some validity in his comments, US is not healthy, there is extreme dietary issues, lack of exercise and eating terribly is rampant. But nobody complained about any other department head for not trying to solve that issue. But his past is very loudly negative.

Re: Trump administration to fire thousands at health agencies

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Post by avgDev »

dubcanada wrote: post #14
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a blood bath. > As for the CDC being gutted, better hope these bird flu and measles outbreaks don't do a covid. With RFK in the lead would it honestly matter how many staff they have?

Dude has been department head for a day? Do we have such little faith that we judge a person before a single stroke of the pen? While historical actions do speak loud, having a bad past does not mean you are a bad person. Nor does it mean your policies will reflect your personal beliefs. There have been tons of individuals who set aside their beliefs and done a fantastic job.

Just think about this statement for a second.

If you know someone has done terrible things, why would they change once they acquire more power?

Having a bad past stops you from owning weapons, from obtaining security clearance. Why do you think this is the case?

Re: Trump administration to fire thousands at health agencies

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Post by kacesensitive »

dubcanada wrote: post #21
greenhearth wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this a "partisan" article? Looks like a regular news piece to me.

I mean it's kind of hard to not call it partisan when it starts with "Trump administration". But I may just be tired of going on reddit, X, hackernews, and seeing the exact same news articles. We are losing a lot of half way decent technology articles, because people are more interested in what Musk or Trump is up to. Which is fair.

>I mean it's kind of hard to not call it partisan when it starts with "Trump administration".

...If it's about the trump administration.. what is it supposed to start with?

Re: Trump administration to fire thousands at health agencies

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Post by avgDev »

softwaredoug wrote: post #19

What’s hard to tell in all this: What is likely illegal vs what is actually the presidents prerogative? Or is it all a test to find that boundary?

Many actions are illegal, but who is going to stop them? Supreme court is stacked. Congress and house is in republican control.

Re: Trump administration to fire thousands at health agencies

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Post by achandlerwhite »

jrsdav wrote: post #23
andyjohnson0 wrote: post #9

Looks like its not just health-related agencies. Many/most people hired by US government agencies in the last two years seem to be being let-go. Some of them will be tech workers, but also engineers, scientists, clinicians, administrators, rangers, educators. People who use this site. "Some 280,000 employees out of the 2.3 million member civilian federal workforce were hired in the last two years, with most still on…

> Many/most people hired by US government agencies in the last two years seem to be being let-go. Could read into this a few ways. People joined who were eager to be part of tackling how the US prepares for and manages the next pandemic (which was uh, how do you say...an unpopular event with this administration), or people who may have been hired while DEI initiatives were having their moment. Both cases feel like ve…

Or its just everyone who accepted a federal job to put food on their family table or to perform public service. It's all federal jobs, not just health as in this article, where those that are hired within the last 1-2 years are being summarily fired. Without consideration of performance or need.

Re: Trump administration to fire thousands at health agencies

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Post by sundaeofshock »

dubcanada wrote: post #31
csoups14 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're supposed to withhold judgment on somebody who has directly led to the deaths of several dozen children? Are you really implying there is no one who is better qualified to lead HHS?

Does it sound like I am suggesting that? That's certainly not my question. I don't think RFK should be anywhere near anything. But he is. So the only option is to accept that, and hold off judging someone until bad policies are released. It's entirely possible RFK feels extreme regret for such incident and wishes to help prevent it from happening again. It's also entirely possible RFK will do a decent job, just like…

Let’s hold off on judging the bull we just released in the china shop unitl he has time to wander around in there for a while.

Re: Trump administration to fire thousands at health agencies

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Post by taylodl »

bloopernova wrote: post #15

Could someone with an economics background comment on what effects may occur after having a quarter million people out of work at the same time?

They probably caught wind of a bad jobs report upcoming and so they're trying to cover it up with mass federal layoffs and say that's the reason it's bad. That would be par for the course for these people, wouldn't it?

Re: Trump administration to fire thousands at health agencies

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

sundaeofshock wrote: post #36
dubcanada wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it sound like I am suggesting that? That's certainly not my question. I don't think RFK should be anywhere near anything. But he is. So the only option is to accept that, and hold off judging someone until bad policies are released. It's entirely possible RFK feels extreme regret for such incident and wishes to help prevent it from happening again. It's also entirely possible RFK will do a decent job, just like…

Let’s hold off on judging the bull we just released in the china shop unitl he has time to wander around in there for a while.

That's an interesting analogy. If I recall correctly, Mythbusters put a bull in a china shop and found that the bull avoided the shelves and didn't break anything.

Re: Trump administration to fire thousands at health agencies

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Post by lawn »

thecopy wrote: post #5

Everything Musk et. al. is doing seems to me to be the analog of a junior developer joining and wanting to rewrite everything.

Ah, allegedly my previous employer is still reeling from one especially motivated individual who ripped through the codebase.

Yes, he was let loose without supervision or code review.

Fun times.

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