I am still using Windows 10. A major reason for me to not upgrade is all the media coverage of ads, user tracking, forced subscriptions and unnecessary AI features in Windows 11. Also, Windows 10 is just plain really good. I do have TPM and strong hardware. Windows 11 reputation is the main concern.
Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10
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Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10
#32Steam users are more likely to be on win 10 than others because they often spend more money on gaming rigs than people buying web browser machine. With the hardware requirements of win 11 (tpm, others) many gamers will not want to throw out their working machines to satisfy Microsoft's hardware demand.
Well 2 years ago when I built a new desktop i took great care to order hardware that works on windows 11. Then I read the stories saying 11 has even more telemetry that you can't disable, ads on the start menu, Edge that you can't get rid of... and when I got around to setting up Windows on it I ordered a Win 10 license. They're still available even now, I think. Win 10 does try to trick me into upgrading to 11 rando…
> when I got around to setting up Windows on it I ordered a Win 10 license. They're still available even now, I think.
The licenses are the same -- you can install Win10 media using a Win11 license key.
Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10
#33I've been using Windows 11 without much complaint since its release, but off the top of my head, I can't name a single "feature" that would motivate me to upgrade if I were on Windows 10, besides "continued support."
I... Don't really understand what's "new" in W11. Other then i had to switch around the start bar. It's nice though and as nice as 10.
Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10
#34Windows 10 is the IPV4 of operating systems.
Windows is the IPv4 of operating systems. Every time a new Windows version comes out, since Windows XP, that there are forums filled with now the max exodus to Linux Desktop promised land is finally going to happen. Meanwhile not even Valve was able to convince game studios to port their Android NDK games to SteamDeck, they have to translate Windows/DirectX, and lets see for how long Microsoft will keep tolerating th…
> and lets see for how long Microsoft will keep tolerating that.
Is that something we actually have to worry about? Wine has been around for more than 30 years in one form or another, and AFAIK Microsoft hasn't really taken any legal action against them.
Are you saying that that has been the case because Wine has historically not been great, so Microsoft didn't perceive it as a threat?
Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10
#35I've been using Windows 11 without much complaint since its release, but off the top of my head, I can't name a single "feature" that would motivate me to upgrade if I were on Windows 10, besides "continued support."
Ditto.
I have a number of laptops and desktops around home, and I mostly cannot distinguish between the Win 10 vs Win 11 ones - except, Win 11 is more annoying. The inability to move taskbar is one, but they've also removed a lot of keyboard shortcuts for common desktop and file explorer activities for no reason I can discern. So I'll type up a shortcut, nothing or bad things will happen, and that's my clue "oh yeah, this one is on $#&@ Windows 11" :-/.
Also when I need to configure something, like sound or network or power options, it seems like the number of separate windows in different styles to hunt through keeps proliferating.
Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10
#36Steam users are more likely to be on win 10 than others because they often spend more money on gaming rigs than people buying web browser machine. With the hardware requirements of win 11 (tpm, others) many gamers will not want to throw out their working machines to satisfy Microsoft's hardware demand.
I doubt I'll be able to use windows 11, even just for gaming. I think when I won't be able to game on 10 I'll just install Linux, or steamos?, and I'll just play whatever I can. And I just won't play any games that require windows for their DRM reasons.
I did that, I'm gaming on linux mint with steam and don't miss anything. Mostly everything works, only a playstation-dedicated wheel doesn't work reliably. PS4 pad works fine in most games. The rest that are native windows games work without hitch. I even tried running some demoscene entries through steam to test my gf card, works too.
Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10
#37It's strange that they are ending Windows 10 support so soon after they stopped selling it. Windows 11 came out October 5, 2021. Edge came out in 2015 and they kept supporting IE11 until June 15, 2022. Given that the major Windows 11 features were things like introducing a screen grabber to make your passwords and private data vulnerable to theft, it's no wonder people have resisted adopting it.
>It's strange that they are ending Windows 10 support so soon after they stopped selling it. Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8/8.1, Windows 10 - all of these had a published 10 year support lifecycle when they came out. Windows 10's end of support is completely expected and as planned. With Windows 11, they've moved it to a new lifecycle model, so it's less clear how long it will be supported for.
> Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8/8.1, Windows 10 - all of these had a published 10 year support lifecycle when they came out.
Windows 10 at one point advertised that it was the last "new" release of Windows ever.
https://www.networkworld.com/article/938964/microsoft-clarif...
I guess it was one exec at a conference, but they didn't really explicitly disclaim the statement either.
Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10
#38Steam users are more likely to be on win 10 than others because they often spend more money on gaming rigs than people buying web browser machine. With the hardware requirements of win 11 (tpm, others) many gamers will not want to throw out their working machines to satisfy Microsoft's hardware demand.
Well 2 years ago when I built a new desktop i took great care to order hardware that works on windows 11. Then I read the stories saying 11 has even more telemetry that you can't disable, ads on the start menu, Edge that you can't get rid of... and when I got around to setting up Windows on it I ordered a Win 10 license. They're still available even now, I think. Win 10 does try to trick me into upgrading to 11 rando…
Was it possible to build a PC with new components that wouldn't be compatible with Windows 11?
I mean I find it pretty hard to understand what are the actual requirements besides TPM 2.0 but all >= 8th gen Intel CPUs should support that?
Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
I thought that was Windows XP?
Somewhere in the unmentionable basements of industry, there are virtualized air-gapped XP boxes running mission-critical VBA.
At least as recently as 2014, I was aware of some random Windows 3.1 (yes) machines running in a corporate data center owned by a very recognizable Fortune 500 company. At the time, they were upgrading all their Windows PCs from XP to 7 and this 3.1 box showed up. I confirmed that it was, in fact, real.
Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10
#40I've been using Windows 11 without much complaint since its release, but off the top of my head, I can't name a single "feature" that would motivate me to upgrade if I were on Windows 10, besides "continued support."
I'm looking forward to the better window placement snaps. I plan on buying an ultra-widescreen monitor the day that work upgrades us to Windows 11. Manually positioning windows for a monitor that size is frustrating in Windows 10, you pretty much have to disable all the snaps because they work against you snapping windows into undesired sizes if you come close to the edge of the screen.
I hate all the advertising and spyware, so I'll never run Windows 11 at home, but we have a whole team dedicated to disabling that sort of stuff at work, so I don't have to think about it.