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UK demands access to Apple users' encrypted data
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Re: UK demands access to Apple users' encrypted data
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
large economy /= relevance The uk economy is 80% services, mostly financial services and tourism, only 18% come from manufacturing
Do you define relevance in terms of manufacturing?
Hard to say how to define relevance - but I think an economy based on manufacturing is more solid (relevant?) than one based on tourism
Re: UK demands access to Apple users' encrypted data
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you mean? Do you have the key to your iCloud backups? You do not, your phone does. You know who has root access to your phone? Apple. It would take a minute to set up some code to fetch the key, if they were legally forced to.
So, "Just please sign into your phone for us, will you, and install this software update that we push through the pipe."
I wish I was this naive.
Even AirTags receive firmware updates via Bluetooth. The iPhone when off has the capabilities of an AirTag.
If Apple wanted, they could. That's all I'm saying. If AUKUS & EU say "backdoor them or no more sales" you bet your safe encryption will be no more.
Re: UK demands access to Apple users' encrypted data
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Allowed? UK government can "demand" anything. Anything outside the UK's sovereign control, is necessarily only going to be given by those who have other reasons to do so besides the threat of being arrested by a police force that has no jurisdiction. The company wants to do business in the UK, it has to follow UK law. UK law claims for itself the right to act globally, and has the power to arrest and fine the compani…
The problem is that I would like to visit the UK as a tourist again as a developer of end-to-end encrypted applications. Geo-blocking all traffic from the UK, not selling to UK citizens, and strictly prohibiting the use of my applications for anyone from the UK should suffice to fulfill the UK's totalitarian demands. Anything else sets a horrible precedent. Are you ready to fulfill China's and North Korea's requireme…
> Are you ready to fulfill China's and North Korea's requirements as a UK company?
Quite.
There's two reasons I left the UK: this nonsense (the whole Act, not just this specific bit) and Brexit.
Re: UK demands access to Apple users' encrypted data
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you define relevance in terms of manufacturing?
Hard to say how to define relevance - but I think an economy based on manufacturing is more solid (relevant?) than one based on tourism
It’s not based on tourism, it’s based on services, which includes tourism but isn’t dominated by it.
But regardless, it’s exactly because it’s hard to define relevance that I was challenging the original comment, which said, without explaining what it meant by this, that the U.K. is no longer relevant.
Regardless of your feelings about this Apple issue, it just seems like an absurd thing to say about a country that’s a large economy (even if wealth is concentrated in one region), has decent cultural exports, is a nuclear power, sits on the UN Security Council, etc.
It’s exactly because it can throw its weight around with Apple, and people are treating it seriously, that it clearly is relevant. If it was some tiny nation doing it, it would just provoke amusement.
Re: UK demands access to Apple users' encrypted data
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hard to say how to define relevance - but I think an economy based on manufacturing is more solid (relevant?) than one based on tourism
It’s not based on tourism, it’s based on services, which includes tourism but isn’t dominated by it. But regardless, it’s exactly because it’s hard to define relevance that I was challenging the original comment, which said, without explaining what it meant by this, that the U.K. is no longer relevant. Regardless of your feelings about this Apple issue, it just seems like an absurd thing to say about a country that’s…
True, imo the UK is very relevant in many aspects - for me it’s mostly in terms of culture. I think much of this is due to the empire and them colonising a major part of the world.
But just as an aside on your last point - I think it’s actually pretty amusing that they think they could force a backdoor on apple…
Re: UK demands access to Apple users' encrypted data
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
At some point I hope we get a government that governs global internet interactions. National governments are just making up silly jurisdiction rules because there's a customer that is currently in their place, overlooking the global nature or at least feel of the internet. If I'm in one country and the person with whom im interacting is in another, whose geographical laws take precedence? Now imagine interacting with…
You want even more consolidation of power?
Consolidatation of governmental power to balance the power of global corporations and global criminal enterprises? Yes
Re: UK demands access to Apple users' encrypted data
#38Politicians living in dreamland again about what encryption can and cannot do. I thought this stupidity had died with our last excuse for a government. Sad to see this is back.
What do you mean? Do you have the key to your iCloud backups? You do not, your phone does. You know who has root access to your phone? Apple. It would take a minute to set up some code to fetch the key, if they were legally forced to.
What I mean is they have this fantasy that they can weaken encryption in a way that only they can benefit from, and that if they’re given these keys they can realistically keep them safe.