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Re: NASA Told to to Scrub Mentions of Indigenous People, Women from Its Websites

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Post by tivert »

elsonrodriguez wrote: post #22
subjectsigma wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m someone who was, uh, skeptical of the DEI stuff. One of my biggest complaints was that it seemed to be much ado about nothing. Re-writing laws and policies to fill them with fluff. This is EXACTLY the same thing, it is 100% virtue signaling and we are burning so much time, money, and goodwill on fucking bullshit nonsense Meanwhile the economy is in shambles, the executive branch is systematically destroying the r…

It isn't quite the same thing. There is a difference between trying to empower historically marginalized groups, and trying to re-subjugate historically marginalized groups. Improving the opportunities available to people tends to improve economic productivity, so it's hard to argue it is a total waste of money. On the other hand, removing mentions or attempts to improve inclusion of these groups in the face of risin…

> It isn't quite the same thing. There is a difference between trying to empower historically marginalized groups, and trying to re-subjugate historically marginalized groups.

Not really. It's all language games.

This is just the mirror image of the liberal conceit they can magically change reality by forcing people to use different words or over-elevating some story (old or new) for ideological reasons.

The lesson from this is that it's all stupid, not just my-side's version, and it should stop.

Re: NASA Told to to Scrub Mentions of Indigenous People, Women from Its Websites

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #17
1970-01-01 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does it help them?

It's intentional othering. Watch this video: https://graphics.social/@metin/113865450624948092 We knew what to do about fascists at one point. We have forgotten.

You've conflated fascists with the anti-DEI movement. NASA employees are still free to live together, work together, free to vote, free to say what they please and go to their own churches.

Re: NASA Told to to Scrub Mentions of Indigenous People, Women from Its Websites

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Post by ASalazarMX »

rich_sasha wrote: post #24
briandear wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know how much the FAA spent renaming “cockpit” and changing Notice to Airmen to Notice to Air Missions in all FAA publications? In the midst of a profound controller shortage, the FAA spent millions on changing words. If people want to criticize the current changes as wasting money, then it’s intellectually dishonest not to call out other agencies such as the FAA for their nonsense.

What was "cockpit" renamed to?

Since asexual terms are preferred, it was renamed to chickenpit.

Joke aside, the term comes from the navy, the place where the cockswain/coxswain, the person in charge of a boat, is. Should that post be renamed to flight swain?

If we're going to make such efforts to change words, I think it's time for a new artificial non-ambiguous language as the international standard. That way, we could learn our local dialects, and the common tongue where all the historical warts are corrected. As a bonus, computers would be more efficient with a non-ambiguous natural language.

Re: NASA Told to to Scrub Mentions of Indigenous People, Women from Its Websites

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Post by ASalazarMX »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #16
lawn wrote: post #14

And instantly flagged, of course.

As it should be! https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#:~:text=Off...

TL;DR:

> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

There's a gray area here, because we are obviously interested in what NASA does, but the action is political.

Re: NASA Told to to Scrub Mentions of Indigenous People, Women from Its Websites

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Post by lawn »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #32
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's intentional othering. Watch this video: https://graphics.social/@metin/113865450624948092 We knew what to do about fascists at one point. We have forgotten.

You've conflated fascists with the anti-DEI movement. NASA employees are still free to live together, work together, free to vote, free to say what they please and go to their own churches.

The road to fascism is taken by many small steps. This is merely one step in a much larger picture.

Re: NASA Told to to Scrub Mentions of Indigenous People, Women from Its Websites

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Post by subjectsigma »

elsonrodriguez wrote: post #22
subjectsigma wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m someone who was, uh, skeptical of the DEI stuff. One of my biggest complaints was that it seemed to be much ado about nothing. Re-writing laws and policies to fill them with fluff. This is EXACTLY the same thing, it is 100% virtue signaling and we are burning so much time, money, and goodwill on fucking bullshit nonsense Meanwhile the economy is in shambles, the executive branch is systematically destroying the r…

It isn't quite the same thing. There is a difference between trying to empower historically marginalized groups, and trying to re-subjugate historically marginalized groups. Improving the opportunities available to people tends to improve economic productivity, so it's hard to argue it is a total waste of money. On the other hand, removing mentions or attempts to improve inclusion of these groups in the face of risin…

> trying to empower > tends to improve > hard to argue

Lots of weasel words there.

> On the other hand, removing mentions or attempts to improve inclusion of these groups in the face of rising racism and sexism has no real upside unless you're a racist or misogynist.

Lots of absolutism there

It’s easy to argue it’s a waste of money if it is not effective. That being said, not all DEI initiatives are created equal (hah) - some are fine, some are useless but harmless, and some seem harmful.

That’s why the guy below me

> So if DEI language was bad, then correcting it should be a good idea

Is wrong just like you are, because DEI language isn’t universally bad or good.

The point that I’m trying to make is we should be worrying more about things like global warming and the economy and the dictatorships coming to murder us all, which anyone with a brain knows for 100% certain that there is a problem and that we have options to fix it. Unlike DEI where everyone has their own definition of what good is.

> the scrubbing of climate-related language is just genocidal.

100% agree. What Trump is doing is actively splitting the country and distracting from much more important issues

Re: NASA Told to to Scrub Mentions of Indigenous People, Women from Its Websites

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #32
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's intentional othering. Watch this video: https://graphics.social/@metin/113865450624948092 We knew what to do about fascists at one point. We have forgotten.

You've conflated fascists with the anti-DEI movement. NASA employees are still free to live together, work together, free to vote, free to say what they please and go to their own churches.

You've bought into the fascist's narrative.

Re: NASA Told to to Scrub Mentions of Indigenous People, Women from Its Websites

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Post by splitrocket »

Tolerance is not suicide pact, nor is it a moral imperative.

Tolerance is a peace treaty, and only extends to those who participate.

Tolerance is an agreement to live in peace, not an agreement to be peaceful no matter the conduct of others.

The Paradox of Tolerance: Karl Popper

Re: NASA Told to to Scrub Mentions of Indigenous People, Women from Its Websites

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Post by nickthegreek »

RankingMember wrote: post #19
1970-01-01 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does it help them?

I suppose hiding the contributions of minorities would make it easier to argue that they're free-loaders, non-contributors, etc. if someone wanted to scapegoat them for societal ills.

> I suppose hiding the contributions of minorities would make it easier to argue that they're free-loaders, non-contributors, etc

Agreed.

> if

I believe you mean "as our own history has shown us"

Re: NASA Told to to Scrub Mentions of Indigenous People, Women from Its Websites

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Post by jmye »

briandear wrote: post #18
spamizbad wrote: post #2

Glad to know my tax dollars are getting spent on the new flavor of virtue signaling. Insane this was some super high priority.

Do you know how much the FAA spent renaming “cockpit” and changing Notice to Airmen to Notice to Air Missions in all FAA publications? In the midst of a profound controller shortage, the FAA spent millions on changing words. If people want to criticize the current changes as wasting money, then it’s intellectually dishonest not to call out other agencies such as the FAA for their nonsense.

If I spend a lot of campaign time suggesting I’m the fiscally responsible one and you’re not, I don’t think “neither were you!” Is a meaningful response when you note my irresponsibility.

At some point I should be answerable for not representing myself properly without just playing little kid “I’m rubber and you’re glue” games, right?

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