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Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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I wish. I own my own modem and router, but Comcast won’t let me use them unless I pay a whole bunch of extra fees or accept a stupidly low monthly data cap. I’ve got my router downstream of theirs which is a bit annoying, especially considering their modem-router combo overheats and needs to be rebooted via unplugging power at least once a month. Sadly I have no other options here in San Francisco. My house is not wi…

cant you just put their crap infront of yours?

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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post #3

Except as soon as you report some QoS issue and a tech comes out, they'll tell you that it's your off brand router and you need to rent one from them.

They tried this with me once. I told him to get a modem from the truck and try it. The issue remained, so the excuse was busted. That said, I have run into issues where the ISP will upgrade the speeds and it will be beyond what the modem or router can handle, and as a result the speeds dropped dramatically. In those cases, I did need to hardware, but was still able to get my own.

You have to be careful with that too. I had a tech come out to fix what ultimately ended up being a faulty ONT and doing the same thing, hooking his test modem up to the line to make sure it wasn't my router causing the packet loss. Next month my bill was double because Verizon claimed I had a second line attached, apparently the tech's router registered as a second device. Thankfully tech support was able to reverse that charge, but it was annoying.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

#33

I wish. I own my own modem and router, but Comcast won’t let me use them unless I pay a whole bunch of extra fees or accept a stupidly low monthly data cap. I’ve got my router downstream of theirs which is a bit annoying, especially considering their modem-router combo overheats and needs to be rebooted via unplugging power at least once a month. Sadly I have no other options here in San Francisco. My house is not wi…

cant you just put their crap infront of yours?

It’s what he does.

> I’ve got my router downstream of theirs

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

#34

I wish. I own my own modem and router, but Comcast won’t let me use them unless I pay a whole bunch of extra fees or accept a stupidly low monthly data cap. I’ve got my router downstream of theirs which is a bit annoying, especially considering their modem-router combo overheats and needs to be rebooted via unplugging power at least once a month. Sadly I have no other options here in San Francisco. My house is not wi…

In EU the second poorest country has the fastest internet. The richest country cannot provide cellular signal to all of its area.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

#35
post #30

I wish. I own my own modem and router, but Comcast won’t let me use them unless I pay a whole bunch of extra fees or accept a stupidly low monthly data cap. I’ve got my router downstream of theirs which is a bit annoying, especially considering their modem-router combo overheats and needs to be rebooted via unplugging power at least once a month. Sadly I have no other options here in San Francisco. My house is not wi…

I'm surprised by this, is Comcast super regional with it's restrictions? I have a Comcast 1gig plan in the Bay Area, and last I checked I get a small ($5?) discount for using my own modem. I've been on the plan for a least a few years now... so alternatively maybe I'm grandfathered in or something? Or maybe some Comcast sales person was lying to you about your options?

It's not regional. The rental is $15-25/mo these days. You might be grandfathered in.

If you choose the $25/mo option, you don't have have to pay to waive the monthly data cap.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

#36
Agreed with the article, but to add to:

> The ability to update the firmware may also be locked down. You should have full control over firmware updates.

Bizarrely, for DOCSIS modems, even if you buy your own modem, the ISP has control over firmware! They can (and do) push any arbitrary firmware to your modem. The manufacturers go along with this for some reason.

So make sure to separate your modem and router too.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

#37

I wish. I own my own modem and router, but Comcast won’t let me use them unless I pay a whole bunch of extra fees or accept a stupidly low monthly data cap. I’ve got my router downstream of theirs which is a bit annoying, especially considering their modem-router combo overheats and needs to be rebooted via unplugging power at least once a month. Sadly I have no other options here in San Francisco. My house is not wi…

I live in SF and Comcast doesn't charge me to have my own router.

I pay $130 for 1.4gbit and unlimited data. It's expensive but I also have no other choices. Sonic stops only one block over and we haven't been able to convince them to wire up my block.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

#39
Sadly I am not able to outright get ride of my ISP router. I am here in Canada on Shaw, well it recently was taken over by Rogers, and we can not just use our own. We can put the modem into bridge mode and connect to it but not get ride of it completely. I am not sure if bridge mode would stop much of the security concerns but my gut says no.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

#40
*Avoid ISP Routers wherever possible.

Sometimes they just don't allow you to use it. In the past I've had ISP router that had a heavily restricted custom firmware on it and a "hidden" username password setup for authorizing with the ISP. I couldn't use my own.

In that situation I had to aim to use it as the modem and have a second router it unloaded to. Not ideal.

Now I can freely pick hardware with my current ISP. Just need to find the time/money to upgrade to fibre everywhere to capitalize on the 10Gb/s.

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