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Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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Post by 7thpower »

bastardoperator wrote: post #21
kwanbix wrote: post #2

That people continue to use ORACLE products is one of those misteries I can not understand for much thought that I put into it.

I find it interesting that Tiktok went with Oracle given their history with the CIA.

I think it was more that Oracle was willing to take the political risk and had a lot of incentive to land a large, high visibility client that could help them build economies of scale and would come with a tier 1 JV partner.

There is a lot of upside for Oracle based on their position relative to others and Ellison does not have to manage his political capital the same way non-founder CEOs do (he made this move long before Trump’s second term).

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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Post by NewJazz »

bastardoperator wrote: post #21
kwanbix wrote: post #2

That people continue to use ORACLE products is one of those misteries I can not understand for much thought that I put into it.

I find it interesting that Tiktok went with Oracle given their history with the CIA.

There was political pressure. Still there.

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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Post by Daviey »

jeroenhd wrote: post #26
kwanbix wrote: post #2

That people continue to use ORACLE products is one of those misteries I can not understand for much thought that I put into it.

They have an excellent free tier for experimenting with some higher power ARM servers. As long as you're ready to give up when they decide they don't like you any more, that's a pretty cool deal. Just don't ever build anything with their hardware or software that you'd like to keep. Edit: Java is usually pretty good, too. At least the open source stuff. Maybe stuff like GraalVM too but they had that locked down in li…

I've been trying to sign up to them for over a year, and it keeps failing. Support tickets remain unanswered.

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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Post by Retric »

StressedDev wrote: post #22
dijit wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been many times where I have tried to warn people on HN not to get into bed with Oracle.[0][1][2][3] But people have a hard time resisting free stuff. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33199750 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38075210 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29514359 [3]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34503883

You had a bad experience with Oracle and I get that. They didn't treat you well. However, not everyone has a bad experience with them and a lot of companies make mistakes and treat customers poorly. The question is not did it happen, the question is how often does it happen and how does the organization handle it. If Oracle has millions of customers and you are the only one they harmed, they are probably doing great.…

> not everyone has a bad experience with them

You don’t stay in business for long while burning every single bridge.

The standards for acceptable behavior from a supplier / business partner are a little higher than just doesn’t fuck over every single contract.

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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Post by protimewaster »

StressedDev wrote: post #24
snailmailstare wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could only mean the database? The stuff I am familiar with was good before they bought it and is better somewhere else despite all their work to choke options with IP law.

OK, what products have gotten worse under Oracle? How do they compare to their competitors? Why don't people leave Oracle if it is so bad? Remember, people can and do move platforms all of the time. A good example is how the cloud took off despite the huge amount of work it takes to move things to the cloud. My main point is saying one of the largest software companies in the world is "bad" or "makes things worse" sa…

I think most people feel like the Sun Microsystems products all got worse after the Oracle purchase. E.g., Solaris, Java.

It's prolly gonna be hard to find any specific metrics to show that, though. But I remember everyone thinking that all of the Sun offerings had gotten worse after the acquisition. And OpenSolaris got axed altogether, of course. And Java had a series of security embarrassments.

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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Post by marcosdumay »

kwanbix wrote: post #2

That people continue to use ORACLE products is one of those misteries I can not understand for much thought that I put into it.

It's cheap. And its free tier is really large.

And after that stops applying, you have spent a huge amount of work managing your software around their idiosyncrasies. So doing the same for another supplier looks like a huge (probably unsurmountable) task.

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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Post by Cieric »

I've never really mentioned it elsewhere, but the last time I even considered doing something with oracle was I believe when they released the free-tier arm instance and I was just going to compile some of my projects to arm to see if they worked well.

Well since I'm not in the business of trusting a lot of corporations I decided to use a privacy.com virtual card that only had a one time transaction and would close afterwards. Well after signing up and starting the instance and doing some quick tests. I ended up coming back to it a bit later and found out the account was just out right terminated. After a while of going through support and looking around at what logs I could get, turns out they tried to do a $0.01 charge on the card and since it failed marked the card as stolen (or something similar.) And even with a long conversation with support they told me there was literally nothing that could be done, not even with proof of identification or anything. Even making a new account didn't work since something was matching and they were rejecting me making a new account (don't know if it was address, ip or my name.)

At this point I share the opinion that others here are sharing, no matter the reason never work with oracle. I'm just lucky they made the decision for me and I never even have to consider the choice again.

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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Post by jaggederest »

dijit wrote: post #25
StressedDev wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You had a bad experience with Oracle and I get that. They didn't treat you well. However, not everyone has a bad experience with them and a lot of companies make mistakes and treat customers poorly. The question is not did it happen, the question is how often does it happen and how does the organization handle it. If Oracle has millions of customers and you are the only one they harmed, they are probably doing great.…

There are so many cases where Oracle have acted in bad faith that I don’t think defending them is the right move. “Don’t anthropomorphise the lawnmower”. Let us not forget that they bankrupted the second largest city in the UK, it’s hardly an isolated incident. They are exactly as evil as people say, I know its hard to reason, there’s always shades of grey after all, but I know of know of no other consistently one-di…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5170246

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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Post by marcosdumay »

StressedDev wrote: post #22
dijit wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been many times where I have tried to warn people on HN not to get into bed with Oracle.[0][1][2][3] But people have a hard time resisting free stuff. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33199750 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38075210 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29514359 [3]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34503883

You had a bad experience with Oracle and I get that. They didn't treat you well. However, not everyone has a bad experience with them and a lot of companies make mistakes and treat customers poorly. The question is not did it happen, the question is how often does it happen and how does the organization handle it. If Oracle has millions of customers and you are the only one they harmed, they are probably doing great.…

We are still talking about Oracle, right? That company that just a few years ago decided to sue all of their customers, worldwide, for whatever terms from their one-sided policies they decided were violated? The one that actually lost almost every time somebody took them to court, but insisted on doing it anyway?

The one that got the manager responsible sacked, but is still managed by the same CEO (and owner) that appointed him?

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