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New California bill might block the "AI did it" defense in civil cases

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Re: New California bill might block the "AI did it" defense in civil cases

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The bill is specifically about cars, but the site doesn't make that clear. Here's a better link: https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202320240ab...

This is wrong. That bill looks like it was reintroduced here https://www.veeto.app/bill/1893370

Re: New California bill might block the "AI did it" defense in civil cases

#32

The bill is specifically about cars, but the site doesn't make that clear. Here's a better link: https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202320240ab...

thats a different bill from last session.

I am going by the bill id AB-316: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml...

Re: New California bill might block the "AI did it" defense in civil cases

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s your responsibility to ensure that your breaks etc work. Presumably it’s also your responsibility to pick and maintain a working self driving system.

I don’t think it’s that binary. You have some duty to make an effort of maintenance but there can still be accidents that are just technical faults no one is really responsible for.

Good luck arguing that to a jury.

It’s true in some cases the manufacturer or car mechanic etc is at fault rather than the owner, but it’s difficult to offload responsibility to a 3rd party.

Re: New California bill might block the "AI did it" defense in civil cases

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vehicles have defects and sometimes the manufacturer is at fault for accidents. The upstream poster is correct. This new law has no relevance to who is liable. It would simply remove "the AI did it" as a valid defense in any case (with whatever exceptions are defined in the existing law referenced).

Like the resale of stolen property. The victim can always just sue you, you may be able to sue the person you got it from.

You can always be sued, and this may be a difficult defense to make in practice, but drivers are not generally liable for accidents caused by mechanical failure if the cause is manufacturing defect.

Re: New California bill might block the "AI did it" defense in civil cases

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like the resale of stolen property. The victim can always just sue you, you may be able to sue the person you got it from.

You can always be sued, and this may be a difficult defense to make in practice, but drivers are not generally liable for accidents caused by mechanical failure if the cause is manufacturing defect.

Sure, if you can demonstrate that there’s no reasonable way the fault could have been predicted or avoided then that can get you off the hook.

However if your tire blows out you’d be expected to demonstrate that you regularly inspect them for ware or damage and there hasn’t been a recall etc. That same level of proactive care is going to be applied to self driving systems.

Re: New California bill might block the "AI did it" defense in civil cases

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re driving a self-driving car, you can’t blame it on the car.

That wouldn't work anyway. In basically every jurisdiction, operators of vehicles are expected to retain control of the vehicle regardless of self driving status.

I think it’s useful for legislators to do their job and explicitly define and clarify the boundaries of the law. You can’t necessarily just rely on precedent for new things.

Re: New California bill might block the "AI did it" defense in civil cases

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post #11
post #5

This bill sucks, a developer should never be held accountable for software they work on or produce.

That's an insane standard. Your work has real-world consequences, act accordingly.

Hm, once we draw that line a shit ton of people will have to start asking difficult questions about their work.

Not saying it's a bad idea, but it has consequences that I suspect you have not considered.

It's very rare for the people writing the code to have any say in what it does.

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