Linux in a nutshell: Just awful in a laptop, meh in a desktop, and first-class as a server.
In my experience, Linux works quite well on laptops that are intended to run it.
I’ve only tried the System 76 Lemur Pro and the Framework 13, both of which worked smoothly. The Framework has better build quality, and I can wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone who wants to try a Linux laptop.
>you can then explain how programs they use will continue to work Microsoft Office and games. No, not LibreOffice and Tux Racer. Wine has gotten a lot better compared to years past, but if you need/want Windows software you still need Windows. You also only get one shot at convincing them, since first impressions are everything. A better argument might be recommending MacOS, at least Microsoft Office works just fine…
> Microsoft Office and games. No, not LibreOffice and Tux Racer. Not everyone will be as displeased with LibreOffice since not everyone uses MS Office professionally.. I'd argue further: for MOST people this is acceptable! > Wine has gotten a lot better compared to years past, but if you need/want Windows software you still need Windows. Not the case for PhotoScape for example (which was on the "required" list in thi…
ok, but what if you need something off-the-wall, like a scanner?
I’ll chime in with a different anecdote than all the whiny ones. Fedora + Niri on a Dell XPS is great. Stock Fedora + Gnome is also great. I don’t miss Windows or OSX at all. The games I care to play work fine thanks to Proton. I don’t care about Adobe or MS Office. If you don’t care about those, either, then find a laptop with good Linux support and decent build quality and come on. It’s more than fine.
Linux in a nutshell: Just awful in a laptop, meh in a desktop, and first-class as a server.
In my experience, Linux works quite well on laptops that are intended to run it. I’ve only tried the System 76 Lemur Pro and the Framework 13, both of which worked smoothly. The Framework has better build quality, and I can wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone who wants to try a Linux laptop.
Framework has been rock solid—I've had it since the first batch, and it's worked flawlessly across three mainboards, two screens, and two webcams (all upgraded along the way).
Arch Linux ran without a hitch. KDE on Wayland is now incredibly polished and, surprisingly, a far better UX for me on a laptop than Apple's.
I loathe macOS but stick with it mostly for the hardware. I use a beefed-up 16-inch M3 Max for work and a baseline 15-inch MacBook Air for writing and OSS work. I love the Air’s hardware and wouldn’t trade it for anything. Before switching to Mac, I was running a maxed-out 16-inch Dell XPS and enjoyed using Ubuntu and Pop!_OS on it. But the hardware just wasn’t there—the trackpad felt cheap, and the keyboard would cr…
The other advantage I see to macOS is commercial app support. Like it or not, it can be a fact of life for many. Photoshop users don’t want to use GIMP. While Electron has made Linux on the desktop much more viable in this respect, there is are some key apps that macOS has where Linux is lacking. And of course there is also working between mobile and desktop, which macOS/iOS seem to do best. Part of me longs for the…
> Microsoft Office and games. No, not LibreOffice and Tux Racer. Not everyone will be as displeased with LibreOffice since not everyone uses MS Office professionally.. I'd argue further: for MOST people this is acceptable! > Wine has gotten a lot better compared to years past, but if you need/want Windows software you still need Windows. Not the case for PhotoScape for example (which was on the "required" list in thi…
ok, but what if you need something off-the-wall, like a scanner?
These days, I personally haven't had any issues with odd scanners or printers and getting them to work. Years ago it was nightmarish, but now it tends to be a lot easier than Windows in my experience. My scanner still doesn't work in Windows (granted: I haven't sunk more than about 25 minutes into trying to get it to work), but it works just fine on Linux (with zero effort).
I loathe macOS but stick with it mostly for the hardware. I use a beefed-up 16-inch M3 Max for work and a baseline 15-inch MacBook Air for writing and OSS work. I love the Air’s hardware and wouldn’t trade it for anything. Before switching to Mac, I was running a maxed-out 16-inch Dell XPS and enjoyed using Ubuntu and Pop!_OS on it. But the hardware just wasn’t there—the trackpad felt cheap, and the keyboard would cr…
I need a Windows laptop for work but really appreciate the exceptional build quality of my MacBook Air. I had a ThinkPad, but it creaked and didn’t feel nearly as solid. Are there any Windows laptops that come close to MacBook-level hardware quality?
When my work laptop got an upgrade recently, I received a Dell Precision 5690 and it seems pretty MacBook-like, like they tried to clone a MBP. Granted, I haven't ever owned a modern MacBook so maybe it's not quite as high quality but it's definitely sleeker than my old ThinkPad. The one thing that's very non-Mac is the power adapter. It's a brick, and while it's USB-C, they used a non-standard voltage/wattage so it's unclear if/how well third party adapters would work.
As a ThinkPad user, I disagree. I've been using Linux (Fedora + Arch) on my Z13 Gen 1 for three years now and it's been a first-class experience. Everything worked out-of-the-box, with literally zero issues. I can't think of a single thing that I'd want to improve, from a laptop user's perspective. For me, this is the definitive Linux laptop experience. I had a similarly good experience with my previous laptop, an HP…
It is disingenuous, yet also accurate. HN mostly agrees: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32964519 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42569926 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42122686
You just linked to three anecdotes. That doesn't prove anything, it just shows that HN users are willing to take a stance one way or the other sometimes.
If you wanted to prove that it's accurate you might include qualitative data, or, gasp, ignore HN since it comprises largely of marketers and not so many engineers.
I loathe macOS but stick with it mostly for the hardware. I use a beefed-up 16-inch M3 Max for work and a baseline 15-inch MacBook Air for writing and OSS work. I love the Air’s hardware and wouldn’t trade it for anything. Before switching to Mac, I was running a maxed-out 16-inch Dell XPS and enjoyed using Ubuntu and Pop!_OS on it. But the hardware just wasn’t there—the trackpad felt cheap, and the keyboard would cr…
> has horrible window management
I keep thinking I'll get used to it, but it's been years and every day I hate it a little more.
My escape is to maximize a terminal on a large monitor and use https://zellij.dev/ as my "window manager"
I loathe macOS but stick with it mostly for the hardware. I use a beefed-up 16-inch M3 Max for work and a baseline 15-inch MacBook Air for writing and OSS work. I love the Air’s hardware and wouldn’t trade it for anything. Before switching to Mac, I was running a maxed-out 16-inch Dell XPS and enjoyed using Ubuntu and Pop!_OS on it. But the hardware just wasn’t there—the trackpad felt cheap, and the keyboard would cr…
The other advantage I see to macOS is commercial app support. Like it or not, it can be a fact of life for many. Photoshop users don’t want to use GIMP. While Electron has made Linux on the desktop much more viable in this respect, there is are some key apps that macOS has where Linux is lacking. And of course there is also working between mobile and desktop, which macOS/iOS seem to do best. Part of me longs for the…
Linux actually has some commercial apps available. Though I'm not sure how they compare to their Mac and Windows versions. Yes some apps aren't available but that's true of Mac as well, though to a lesser extent.