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Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by high_na_euv »

bko wrote: post #3

The cultural shift against smoking cigarettes over the last 2 decades has been fun to watch. Ironically, at the same time there has been an acceptance of smoking weed. You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. Not that one is better than the other per-se. But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone pub…

>You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day.

I think it may be just your bubble

Ive never saw someone casually smoking weed on streets

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by portaouflop »

Cumpiler69 wrote: post #19
portaouflop wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the same when I see people chugging a fat black coffee the moment they wake up. I wouldn’t be able to focus at all, constant jitters - how can these people all work effectively while being strung out on caffeine? The answer is it’s all about tolerance and what drugs are social acceptable. The guy who smokes all day just gets back to baseline with his first joint in the day, he’s not actually high as you would…

If someone drinks coffee in public, nobody around them gets "passive coffee drinking", in order to be a public nuisance like smokers.

The question was how this person is able to function not what other environmental factors play a role.

Growing coffee also has an impact on the environment, I would argue much more than growing weed - conveniently out of sight for the consumer. But that’s not really my point here.

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by nytesky »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #15
bko wrote: post #3

The cultural shift against smoking cigarettes over the last 2 decades has been fun to watch. Ironically, at the same time there has been an acceptance of smoking weed. You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. Not that one is better than the other per-se. But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone pub…

I’ve never seen someone high on cannabis be a danger to others, and cannabis smoke airs out pretty easily, as opposed to cigarette smoke that sticks to everything and doesn’t go away. Not that cannabis smoke isn’t annoying, but it’s far less annoying than cigarette smoke ever was.

I’m pretty sure anyone high cannabis is a danger to others while driving?

The smell of weed does not air out — every taxi I get into stinks of it constantly.

Not only that, it has a much greater range - I usually saw a cigarette smoker but I can smell weed on the street and not see them at all.

And my car air filter kept out cigarette odor when on recirculate, but some how weed gets through and I have to close and turn the whole system off to have any hope of not stinking up my car. The number of people smoking weed while driving is honestly scary

I hope Osaka’s approach spreads

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by portaouflop »

jjice wrote: post #29
portaouflop wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the same when I see people chugging a fat black coffee the moment they wake up. I wouldn’t be able to focus at all, constant jitters - how can these people all work effectively while being strung out on caffeine? The answer is it’s all about tolerance and what drugs are social acceptable. The guy who smokes all day just gets back to baseline with his first joint in the day, he’s not actually high as you would…

Smoking on the streets affects everyone else walking on the street. Drinking a cup of coffee on the street affects no one else. It seems like you may have been making a more general social commentary, but I think this is pretty separate, since this is specifically about . If you're smoking in your home - more power to you.

See my other reply - this is not about what other environmental factors play a role - the question was how this person is able to function, not how their consumption impacts others.

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by dingnuts »

bko wrote: post #3

The cultural shift against smoking cigarettes over the last 2 decades has been fun to watch. Ironically, at the same time there has been an acceptance of smoking weed. You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. Not that one is better than the other per-se. But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone pub…

> But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone publicly smoking weed at 7am on a weekday.

This isn't even socially accepted among stoners who smoke every day once you're old enough to have a job. Not sure who you are hanging out with but people who are high all day every day are one of two things:

1 addicts, and considered so even by stoners, who have crazy tolerance and like alcoholics can function under the influence better than non addicts

or 2 they have a terrible painful disease like ankylosing spondylitis and the only effect of the cannabis is a slight reduction in pain because when your spine is pinched you don't get as much of the euphoria and whatnot from pot

Hope that clears it up

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by whateveracct »

bko wrote: post #3

The cultural shift against smoking cigarettes over the last 2 decades has been fun to watch. Ironically, at the same time there has been an acceptance of smoking weed. You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. Not that one is better than the other per-se. But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone pub…

> someone publicly smoking weed at 7am on a weekday. What does this guy's day look like? How can he function high all day?

You realize the high from a joint only last a couple hours, right? He could go out to breakfast (always a fun high activity), people watch a bit (again), and then go for a walk in the park or listen to some music or whatever. And then spend the rest of the day sober. Could even go into the office fine lol.

Or keep smoking weed (that's okay too).

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by portaouflop »

lolinder wrote: post #27
Ensorceled wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not that one is better than the other per-se. Smoking weed is CLEARLY, OVERWHELMINGLY better than smoking tobacco by being less addictive and MUCH less likely to cause various cancers.

Yes, but too often people hear that and sub in "harmless", which it's absolutely not. "Better than tobacco" is one of the easiest bars for any drug to clear, and weed is not by any stretch of the imagination harmless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBRaI0ZeAf8

Nothing is really completely harmless if you think about it - but I agree that weed is more dangerous than it’s made out to be often. I think the same applies to every socially accepted drug, such as coffee, alcohol, ibuprofen etc

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by ceejayoz »

potato3732842 wrote: post #16
ceejayoz wrote: post #10

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> What happens to people who live in non smoking apartments and don't have private outdoor space to smoke? You switch to vaping (public health win!) or you move.

I agree vaping is a big public health improvement (not that I'm a particular fan of it) over smoking but they banned that too... Nobody is gonna move over smoking. They're just gonna resent you. And that'll hamstring your next public health action or whatever because the political will just won't be there.

They banned vaping in public streets, not private homes.

I can't speak for Japan, but around here most "no smoking" landlords permit vaping.

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by lolinder »

potato3732842 wrote: post #4

I'm gonna ask the same thing I asked when some city in Spain did this. What happens to people who live in non smoking apartments and don't have private outdoor space to smoke? I'm not sure what a "reasonable" carve out for these people would look like but people aren't idiots and they tend to resent individuals, groups and institutions that make their daily behavior unlawful with the stroke of a pen and the more poli…

> people aren't idiots and they tend to resent individuals, groups and institutions that make their daily behavior unlawful with the stroke of a pen

Yes, but when the people affected become a sufficiently small minority those people have a smaller and smaller impact on local and regional elections. The culture in much of the world has shifted so firmly against smoking that politicians in these places have probably rightly calculated that the irritation from the few holdouts who still feel entitled to smoke in public is massively overpowered by the gratitude they'll get from the people who are tired of dodging tobacco smoke on the streets.

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by portaouflop »

nindalf wrote: post #25
Cumpiler69 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone drinks coffee in public, nobody around them gets "passive coffee drinking", in order to be a public nuisance like smokers.

Just so we're clear, you're talking about weed smokers like the GP? You've gotten passively stoned?

It’s hard to do but if you would be in a locked room with a bunch of lit joints going around you probably can get moderately passively stoned.
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