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Wall Street banks prepare to sell up to $3B in X loans next week

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Re: Wall Street banks prepare to sell up to $3B in X loans next week

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> Since the purchase, Twitter has lost 85% to 90% of its revenues. Source? Is this true?

84% as of August, according to documents obtained by the NYT. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/twitters-revenue-collapses-84...

Yeah, thanks for this. The WSJ piece was reporting -84%, but if you measure against Twitter's last full year/publicly reported revenues before going private, it's closer to -90%.

Re: Wall Street banks prepare to sell up to $3B in X loans next week

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I wonder who's going to be buying, since they're selling at just a 5% discount. Since the purchase, Twitter has lost 85% to 90% of its revenues. So, I think the discount doesn't factor in just how much value X has lost. And, unless Musk buys back the debt, I don't see any takers lining up. Judging by how much stock Elon had to sell, plus the loans/equity raised for the initial purchase, it feels like an all-round bad…

"$34B is a steep price to kill Twitter, but maybe it's worth it", a somebody wrote back in the day. Apparently it sort of was worth it for Musk, but it cost him, and is going to cost further down the line.

he bought an office in the white house which he already turned into much more than what he invested in X with 4 more years to come…

Re: Wall Street banks prepare to sell up to $3B in X loans next week

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I wonder if Musk will buy the loans.

Why would he toss even more money onto the Twitter bonfire when there’s no need?

There is a need - Twitter is now an excellent platform for propaganda and manufacturing consent. If Twitter defaults on the loans, my assumption is the creditors take control, and Musk gets a ton of value from being in control of Twitter.

Re: Wall Street banks prepare to sell up to $3B in X loans next week

#34

I wonder who's going to be buying, since they're selling at just a 5% discount. Since the purchase, Twitter has lost 85% to 90% of its revenues. So, I think the discount doesn't factor in just how much value X has lost. And, unless Musk buys back the debt, I don't see any takers lining up. Judging by how much stock Elon had to sell, plus the loans/equity raised for the initial purchase, it feels like an all-round bad…

These loans have nothing to do with twitters value though. The question is will musk pay the debt off, not whether twitter will become more valuable. Right after the deal was done investors wondered musk might just let the loans default and give twitter to his creditors, but now that it seems so important to him politically he is less likely to do that.

I am less sure that x means anything to musk. I could absolutely see him shut it down in a fit of anger.

Although that's based on a very distant view of his actions, maybe in private he's 100% on board.

Re: Wall Street banks prepare to sell up to $3B in X loans next week

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post #16

I wonder who's going to be buying, since they're selling at just a 5% discount. Since the purchase, Twitter has lost 85% to 90% of its revenues. So, I think the discount doesn't factor in just how much value X has lost. And, unless Musk buys back the debt, I don't see any takers lining up. Judging by how much stock Elon had to sell, plus the loans/equity raised for the initial purchase, it feels like an all-round bad…

> it feels like an all-round bad decision. Eh, he bought the White House for $40bn. I say that's a very good purchase, given how he can now leverage it to get better deals for his business. E.g. Greenland for resources to make batteries.

I had read* that his interest in Ukraine and putin was to gain a share of Ukrainian mineral wealth. If that rumour was true, then yeah I could see him advocating for an invasion of Greenland. Although, didn't the Greenland SNAFU start with trump?

* And don't have a link to whatever it was, so take with a cyber truck full of salt!

Re: Wall Street banks prepare to sell up to $3B in X loans next week

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would he toss even more money onto the Twitter bonfire when there’s no need?

There is a need - Twitter is now an excellent platform for propaganda and manufacturing consent. If Twitter defaults on the loans, my assumption is the creditors take control, and Musk gets a ton of value from being in control of Twitter.

Wait. Are you saying he's not in control currently?

Re: Wall Street banks prepare to sell up to $3B in X loans next week

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would he toss even more money onto the Twitter bonfire when there’s no need?

Why does he do a lot of the things he does? Ketamine.

I've wondered about that. Like, what are the practicalities? Do billionaires have dealers, or do they use shell companies to buy in bulk?

I'm assuming wherever he flies, he avoids customs and immigration, and his plane/person never gets searched.

Re: Wall Street banks prepare to sell up to $3B in X loans next week

#40

I wonder who's going to be buying, since they're selling at just a 5% discount. Since the purchase, Twitter has lost 85% to 90% of its revenues. So, I think the discount doesn't factor in just how much value X has lost. And, unless Musk buys back the debt, I don't see any takers lining up. Judging by how much stock Elon had to sell, plus the loans/equity raised for the initial purchase, it feels like an all-round bad…

> From another perspective, judging by how X played a huge role in the 2024 election & Elon's new role as First Friend, maybe his rapidly improving fortune factors into the calculus.

That's it, it's even said in the article. Everyone know that Elon musk in the us government and him being buddy buddy with Trump is like inviting a wolf into a lamb's den.

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