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Re: FEMA May Be Eliminated

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Post by taylodl »

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #25
taylodl wrote: post #2

Awesome! If California residents weren't paying for all the hurricanes in the deep red South and tornadoes in the deep red plains states, then they'd have plenty of money to take care of themselves. Does this guy ever think through anything before opening his mouth? Is he even capable of thinking?

Does California take any federal money? Do any of those plains states provide food to California. I don't think you would like this game as much as you think.

Does California get its food for free from the plains states? No? Well then, you can sit down and STFU. BTW, over half of the produce in US grocery stores comes from California. Also, over 90% of the goods coming into the US from East Asia comes through California ports. No California, no Walmart.

How do you like them apples?

Re: FEMA May Be Eliminated

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Post by kcplate »

tivert wrote: post #30
basementcat wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're arguing that voters choose a person who is less qualified, can you explain how Harris is a Nazi?

> If you're arguing that voters choose a person who is less qualified, can you explain how Harris is a Nazi? Why? Harris isn't a Nazi. The hypothetical was exaggerated to emphasize a specific point. Don't take it too literally or try to map it directly to current events.

That was obviously sarcasm and ironically you took it literally.

Re: FEMA May Be Eliminated

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Post by kcplate »

taylodl wrote: post #2

Awesome! If California residents weren't paying for all the hurricanes in the deep red South and tornadoes in the deep red plains states, then they'd have plenty of money to take care of themselves. Does this guy ever think through anything before opening his mouth? Is he even capable of thinking?

Yeah…that must be the problem. They just don’t have enough money for themselves because of all the red states. Of course what little money California does have is mismanaged to hell by its state and local governments, but that will obvious not happen if there is a lot more money available.

Re: FEMA May Be Eliminated

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Post by kcplate »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #22
xnx wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would be slightly more informative as per-capita numbers since Texas and Florida are #2 and #3 most populous states.

This is splitting hairs. These are vocally low/anti regulation and tax states hostile to even the belief in climate change when scoped to state reps [1] [2]. Let them financially support themselves and their disaster risk costs. They voted for this (both at federal and state levels). If they would like federal support for their high risk geography [3] [4] [5], they should consider voting for an administration that wi…

Gotcha. So your answer is to break up the republic because you don’t like some of the region’s politics.

Re: FEMA May Be Eliminated

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Post by krapp »

kcplate wrote: post #34
toomuchtodo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is splitting hairs. These are vocally low/anti regulation and tax states hostile to even the belief in climate change when scoped to state reps [1] [2]. Let them financially support themselves and their disaster risk costs. They voted for this (both at federal and state levels). If they would like federal support for their high risk geography [3] [4] [5], they should consider voting for an administration that wi…

Gotcha. So your answer is to break up the republic because you don’t like some of the region’s politics.

These states and many of their citizens have been murmuring about a "cold civil war" and "peaceable secession" for decades, and a few have been flirting with secession since the actual civil war ended. They don't want to be a part of the US - or more accurately they consider only themselves to be the US, proper, and reject the authority of the Federal government as illegitimate, oppressive, and run according to cultural values which they despise.

So yeah, maybe it's better to let them go than suffer having them dragging the rest of the country down with them.

Re: FEMA May Be Eliminated

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Post by kcplate »

krapp wrote: post #35
kcplate wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gotcha. So your answer is to break up the republic because you don’t like some of the region’s politics.

These states and many of their citizens have been murmuring about a "cold civil war" and "peaceable secession" for decades, and a few have been flirting with secession since the actual civil war ended. They don't want to be a part of the US - or more accurately they consider only themselves to be the US, proper, and reject the authority of the Federal government as illegitimate, oppressive, and run according to cultu…

…or maybe they can just vote for the change they would like at the federal level like they just did.

Funny how that works in a republic like ours. If their direction doesn’t pan out, you have opportunities in 2026 and 2028 to right the ship. Of course that would mean that the democrats will actually have to provide a leader to two that can effectively communicate, motivate, and lead.

Re: FEMA May Be Eliminated

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Post by krapp »

kcplate wrote: post #36
krapp wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These states and many of their citizens have been murmuring about a "cold civil war" and "peaceable secession" for decades, and a few have been flirting with secession since the actual civil war ended. They don't want to be a part of the US - or more accurately they consider only themselves to be the US, proper, and reject the authority of the Federal government as illegitimate, oppressive, and run according to cultu…

…or maybe they can just vote for the change they would like at the federal level like they just did . Funny how that works in a republic like ours. If their direction doesn’t pan out, you have opportunities in 2026 and 2028 to right the ship. Of course that would mean that the democrats will actually have to provide a leader to two that can effectively communicate, motivate, and lead.

A republic doesn't work when half of the people simply vote to burn it down every four years to spite the other half. You can't just "right the ship" to correct policies this destructive. This isn't simple politics as usual.

Re: FEMA May Be Eliminated

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Post by toomuchtodo »

kcplate wrote: post #34
toomuchtodo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is splitting hairs. These are vocally low/anti regulation and tax states hostile to even the belief in climate change when scoped to state reps [1] [2]. Let them financially support themselves and their disaster risk costs. They voted for this (both at federal and state levels). If they would like federal support for their high risk geography [3] [4] [5], they should consider voting for an administration that wi…

Gotcha. So your answer is to break up the republic because you don’t like some of the region’s politics.

My answer is to let people who want to hurt themselves politically and economically proceed after we have collectively attempted to prevent these outcomes. If they get their vote till death, and they don't want to change their vote to anything productive, there is no other choice (as mental models are rigid and tribalism pressures are strong). Good luck to them, effort is better spent on people who actually care and investment where it is valued.

> …or maybe they can just vote for the change they would like at the federal level like they just did.

This is the change they voted for. If it is harmful to them, that was their choice. As Jamie Dimon said, "Get over it." Vote better next time? If the forest votes for the axe after everyone told them not to, I have no compassion when the axe starts chopping.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Woodcutter_and_the_Trees

https://bsky.app/profile/briantylercohen.bsky.social/post/3l...

Re: FEMA May Be Eliminated

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Post by kcplate »

krapp wrote: post #37
kcplate wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

…or maybe they can just vote for the change they would like at the federal level like they just did . Funny how that works in a republic like ours. If their direction doesn’t pan out, you have opportunities in 2026 and 2028 to right the ship. Of course that would mean that the democrats will actually have to provide a leader to two that can effectively communicate, motivate, and lead.

A republic doesn't work when half of the people simply vote to burn it down every four years to spite the other half. You can't just "right the ship" to correct policies this destructive. This isn't simple politics as usual.

You are making an assumption that only half the country votes to “burn it down” and that whatever side you are on is the correct one that should be preserved.

It’s possible that both sides seek to destroy the policies of the other and maybe, just maybe, neither side truly has a monopoly on what is right and correct.

All I hear as an independent political thinker is two sides whining that the other is dogmatic.

Re: FEMA May Be Eliminated

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Post by kcplate »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #38
kcplate wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gotcha. So your answer is to break up the republic because you don’t like some of the region’s politics.

My answer is to let people who want to hurt themselves politically and economically proceed after we have collectively attempted to prevent these outcomes. If they get their vote till death, and they don't want to change their vote to anything productive, there is no other choice (as mental models are rigid and tribalism pressures are strong). Good luck to them, effort is better spent on people who actually care and…

> after we have collectively attempted to prevent these outcomes

Who is “we” and what did “we” do to prevent “what” outcome?

Seems to me if you can answer that question you might have a clue why the forest might chose the axe.

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