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Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

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Re: Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

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German software is SAP. Every other software from them is made in Poland, Romania, Belarus, and Russia.

No, SAP is German software. And there are many other software companies in Germany, albeit with much less publicity.

Half of German software is SAP-infected due to that fact that if you are targeting German companies you have to interface with SAP sooner or later, and every option I've encountered to do that in the past was awful.

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Europe is back into its historical power dynamics, e.g. Catherine II was Prussian and also the Russian emperor. National states in Central and Eastern Europe were an anomaly lasting 80 years. Once US accepted the return of ruling dynasties, Europe has no other choice than to follow. People will quarrel over any scraps and ideologies the elites throw at them. Nothing will stop the gravitation of German industry toward…

If nation states in central Europe would disappear, what would "German industry" even mean?

What does it mean now?

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The right-wing narrative scattered throughout this article is irritating. It's also a bit laughable that Germany could stand a realistic chance to top the world's intelligent robot production - as long as we're talking about general-purpose and hence likely humanoid robots. As far as I'm aware, Germany has no history in building such robots while companies from other countries, both Asian and US, have a big head-star…

> The right-wing narrative scattered throughout this article is irritating.

Without further substantiation such a claim is very low signal. What it tells me is that you think he said something bad or something you disapprove of.

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German software is SAP. Every other software from them is made in Poland, Romania, Belarus, and Russia.

IMO, it's a culture thing. Even German software companies think writing software is low-status and try to outsource as much of it as possible to Eastern Europe.

Eastern European developers are pretty awesome, in my experience.

Otherwise I agree.

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Why do statistics like GDP in absolute numbers? The only thing that graph shows is that China was dirt poor in 1995, and is now still only at 25-35% of USA levels.

GDP per capita is a measure of a country's standard of living, raw GDP is a measure of a country's power relative to other countries.

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>What many people don't know: The current boom in "Generative AI" using artificial neural networks has its roots in the early nineties at the Technical University of Munich, especially the "G" and the "P" and the "T" in "ChatGPT." At that time, we published "Artificial Curiosity" through what's now called "Generative Adversarial Networks" (1990, now widely used),

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Re: Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

#37

General purpose robots don’t make sense - humans are infinitely better for this purpose and way cheaper to produce. Sure the robots could do very dangerous or tedious work that would be “inhuman”, but I would argue that for this kind of work a specialised robot will always be more efficient and way cheaper to produce. Apart from how science fiction this all is - we can’t even produce a general purpose robot don’t mak…

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Re: Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

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I think he makes a good point about immigration. Immigration is not going to save Germany, because Germany is not an attractive destination. The only people who move to Germany are the ones who failed to get a VISA from an English speaking country, and even those will leave as soon as they gain enough experience to reapply for a VISA. The only way forward is for Germany to really invest in its own population and to retain them by giving them attractive enough opportunities.

But how do you accomplish this? Where do you get the money from? Nobody wants to invest in Germany, not even the Germans themselves. So the government tries to jump start investment, but the government is both incompetent and corrupt, so for example the German government bet on Quantum Computing instead of AI. Now the government in investing in AI, but instead of investing in LLMs they are investing in "AI for science" projects, 99% of which are complete deadends. Actually this is a sort of theme. The government funded startups are always doing some sort of "science" based product. For some reason this appeals to the founding agencies because science sounds like a solid investment. But most of these startups are either attacking a problem that is way too improbably of yielding any results, or they are projects that sound good to the uninitiated but are actually fundamentally flawed when you actually dig deep into them (like a lot of AI for science crap).

I think, if there is a way forward, it's for the government to stop trying to be a startup accelerator. They are too incompetent and corrupt for that. Instead, it should be a mediator between foreign investors and local talent. Make it attractive to build in Germany and use local talent to do that. And make sure the local talent gets competitively compensated so they do not emigrate.

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The basic problem is obvious, no company in Germany would pay a fresh PhD more than 150k, even 100k would be extremely. So AI talent leaves. But this is not the whole story, the bureaucracy, regulation and so on are insane. Then you have high taxes, and especially everyone wants to tax the rich. The rich are too rich in Germany. So why should Germany try to make them richer lol?

Re: Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

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The basic problem is obvious, no company in Germany would pay a fresh PhD more than 150k, even 100k would be extremely. So AI talent leaves. But this is not the whole story, the bureaucracy, regulation and so on are insane. Then you have high taxes, and especially everyone wants to tax the rich. The rich are too rich in Germany. So why should Germany try to make them richer lol?

This is like poor fighting each other with batons in the mud. The "German rich" fiscally are residents of Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, with some Dutch and Swiss plot twists. No rich has been bred from German fiscal reality in the recent decades.
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