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Protecting the Meaning and Value of American Citizenship

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Re: Protecting the Meaning and Value of American Citizenship

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Post by TimK65 »

gnulinux wrote: post #8
zephyrus1985 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe it now doesn't apply for to parents that are here illegally. Not taking sides but just pointing the nuance

Did you read the executive order? It clearly states it also covers parents that are here legally through visas like H, F etc... It is not just about illegal immigration. E.g. if you work in the US on H and have a kid with a student on F visa, the kid will not be a US citizen going forward (starting in 30 days). I'd be curious to hear the argument that people legally working or studying here aren't "subject to jurisdi…

I believe that historically, the primary group of people who are "not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" are diplomatic personnel from other countries. Those people actually are not subject to U.S. jurisdiction.

Re: Protecting the Meaning and Value of American Citizenship

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Post by ttyprintk »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #10

Very few countries have birthright citizenship ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli ). I still find it to be a strange concept. It seems like in the US, birthright citizenship isn’t granted in the constitution or laws directly but was the result of a court ruling, which is extra strange. I’m not sure if this is the right way to go about it, but I think removing it is the right direction to have a sense of soverei…

It’s most of the Americas; 3 dozen or so in total. Saying “very few” is cover for Trump to lie that it’s “only one”.

Re: Protecting the Meaning and Value of American Citizenship

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Post by jfengel »

laristine wrote: post #12
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #10

Very few countries have birthright citizenship ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli ). I still find it to be a strange concept. It seems like in the US, birthright citizenship isn’t granted in the constitution or laws directly but was the result of a court ruling, which is extra strange. I’m not sure if this is the right way to go about it, but I think removing it is the right direction to have a sense of soverei…

The United States has a lot of unique traits that few other countries have (American exceptionalism), birthright citizenship being just one characteristic. I'd think an executive order is just testing the water, but to change it definitively requires a constitutional amendment.

Or a Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution however they'd like it to be.

Re: Protecting the Meaning and Value of American Citizenship

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Post by declan_roberts »

alanfranz wrote: post #15
gnulinux wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the executive order? It clearly states it also covers parents that are here legally through visas like H, F etc... It is not just about illegal immigration. E.g. if you work in the US on H and have a kid with a student on F visa, the kid will not be a US citizen going forward (starting in 30 days). I'd be curious to hear the argument that people legally working or studying here aren't "subject to jurisdi…

Not a US citizen here so I may miss some nuances. I’d think the “tourist VISA” part makes sense after all. The “work VISA” part is strange, as you say. If I’m on a 15 days business trip, could make sense. If on a multi-year H1B… well, it sucks.

I had a coworker that actually did this unapologetically ("it's your system, your laws")

Wife came here very pregnant, overstayed her travel visa, had her baby and their child is a US citizen.

He's a green card holder now, but he was genuinely just thinking about his kid's future.

Re: Protecting the Meaning and Value of American Citizenship

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Post by cherry_tree »

laristine wrote: post #11
gnulinux wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the executive order? It clearly states it also covers parents that are here legally through visas like H, F etc... It is not just about illegal immigration. E.g. if you work in the US on H and have a kid with a student on F visa, the kid will not be a US citizen going forward (starting in 30 days). I'd be curious to hear the argument that people legally working or studying here aren't "subject to jurisdi…

In any angle of view, those people are clearly subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

From the text:

>or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States at the time of said person’s birth was lawful but temporary (such as, but not limited to, visiting the United States under the auspices of the Visa Waiver Program or visiting on a student, work, or tourist visa) and the father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.

It specifically says the child of someone here on a work visa would not be a citizen. If that person became a citizen or permanent resident after the child’s birth, the child would need to pursue residency/citizenship through their own merit as a non-citizen.

What visa is given to non citizens born while in the US I wonder?

Re: Protecting the Meaning and Value of American Citizenship

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Post by mhx1138 »

gnulinux wrote: post #8
zephyrus1985 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe it now doesn't apply for to parents that are here illegally. Not taking sides but just pointing the nuance

Did you read the executive order? It clearly states it also covers parents that are here legally through visas like H, F etc... It is not just about illegal immigration. E.g. if you work in the US on H and have a kid with a student on F visa, the kid will not be a US citizen going forward (starting in 30 days). I'd be curious to hear the argument that people legally working or studying here aren't "subject to jurisdi…

This will surely dissuade people from coming to work on work visa. It’s a big step to relocate your carrier to another country. If there is no perspective to fully commit and plan proper migration, then there is less motivation to even go in the first place.
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