Can someone answer this without an evolutionary presupposition?
they are so pissed off by your presence that they say fuck it, ill fuck this bastard no matter what
Why do bees die when they sting you? (2021)
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Re: Why do bees die when they sting you? (2021)
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It’s because ultimately the species survives, not the individuals. No, this is wrong. "Survival of the species" isn't a basis for selection. It will not lead to a gene becoming more prevalent in a population of interbreeding individuals. Bees sacrifice themselves because they share genes with the queen; genes that are involved in this sacrifice increase their relative abundance in the bee gene pool by increasing th…
That's not entirely true. For example, being gay is hypothesized to give an evolutionary advantage because you can provide care for your sibling's children, who share their dna with you. Same goes for early menopause. That can extend to small villages where individuals may give up their own resources for a greater survival chance of their kin within the collective.
Are homosexuality and early menopause genetic conditions?
Re: Why do bees die when they sting you? (2021)
#33Why do humans live long enough to be grandparents? It's because grandparents take care of the grandkids while the parents work.
I don't think its that simple. If we look back far enough, it was more like the man/men hunted or gathered and women took care of kids, fire and cooking.
If I look at less distant ancestors, they all worked in the fields, and so did grandparents (who were not as old as these days when 15 was a good age to start bearing kids, so 35 years old granny was normal). So it again falls mostly on women. Grandparents, those still living, much less.
Re: Why do bees die when they sting you? (2021)
#34While a bee stinger may get stuck in you, that's not so when stinging fellow insects. The barbs don't catch on an exoskeleton like they do for thick and elastic mammalian skin. An elegant way to deliver more venom to larger targets.
Wow that's super interesting! What a novel mechanism.
Re: Why do bees die when they sting you? (2021)
#35A random bee sting in class was the straw that broke my back in a mid 90s multivariable calculus lecture at a Swedish university where I was studying CS/EE. It lead to me dropping out. Went to a local internet/web software startup instead and a whole new world opened up.
Yes, I had been behind. I'm doing OK now :)
Re: Why do bees die when they sting you? (2021)
#36As I've been listening to Mythos recently, I must point out that it is also because Zeus cursed the Bee
> In his final response on the matter he declared that she will be a Queen of a colony of workers that will aid her in gathering honey. However, Greek Gods were never truly honourable in their wishes unless it benefitted them directly. In addition to her swarm of workers she was also granted a fatal sting, but this sting would be fatal to her or her colony if they ever used it on another. It was from then on that the honeybees’ was barbed; meaning that if their weapon was ever to be “deployed” that the individual that used their sting would not survive the attack.
https://crawliomics.wordpress.com/2019/06/12/zeus-the-honeyb...
Re: Why do bees die when they sting you? (2021)
#37The group selection part is really interesting evolution-wise. It seems a very slow and difficult method of selection. I had never considered how something dying, and not passing along their genetics, could enforce a genetic trait.
It's somewhat explained near the end of the article. Sex in bees (and ants) is weird. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-determination_system Humans use XY system, so we share 50% of your genes with your children, parents and siblings (in average). Bees and ants use X0 system. A female bee share 50% of your genes with their own daughters, 75% with their mother and 75% with their female parents and 75% with their femal…
> 75% with their mother and 75% with their female parents
Are these different things for bees?
Re: Why do bees die when they sting you? (2021)
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not entirely true. For example, being gay is hypothesized to give an evolutionary advantage because you can provide care for your sibling's children, who share their dna with you. Same goes for early menopause. That can extend to small villages where individuals may give up their own resources for a greater survival chance of their kin within the collective.
Are homosexuality and early menopause genetic conditions?
Seems quite likely to me.
Re: Why do bees die when they sting you? (2021)
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not entirely true. For example, being gay is hypothesized to give an evolutionary advantage because you can provide care for your sibling's children, who share their dna with you. Same goes for early menopause. That can extend to small villages where individuals may give up their own resources for a greater survival chance of their kin within the collective.
Are homosexuality and early menopause genetic conditions?
Everything that makes us human is constrained by the possibilities offered by our genes. Epigenetics, development, and environment are downstream of that. It is our genes that allow for sexual reproduction in the first place and why we’re attracted to other humans and not, say, trees.
Re: Why do bees die when they sting you? (2021)
#40As I've been listening to Mythos recently, I must point out that it is also because Zeus cursed the Bee > In his final response on the matter he declared that she will be a Queen of a colony of workers that will aid her in gathering honey. However, Greek Gods were never truly honourable in their wishes unless it benefitted them directly. In addition to her swarm of workers she was also granted a fatal sting, but this…
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