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Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by Arch-TK » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 2:41 PM UTC

I don't like Jack Dorsey and I don't get why he should be involved in the FOSDEM keynote either but why is Drew incapable of forming any argument anyone could actually agree with?

You dislike Jack because he sold Twitter and it made mastodon popular, and that's a bad thing? And because this also meant that people with cushy FAANG jobs who could easily find another job at the drop of a hat got displaced by Elon as a result? Is that really your argument Drew?

Maybe it's time for a "No Drews DeVault at FOSDEM" blog post.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by duxup » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 2:41 PM UTC

>In my view, billionaires are not welcome at FOSDEM.

I see no reason to discriminate against wealth explicitly.

Rather if someone's actions make them worth leaving out, then yeah that's a reason:

>Dorsey is presumably being platformed in Janson because his blockchain bullshit company is a main sponsor of FOSDEM this year.

That's your problem, not the money. That problem is not solved by drawing the line at personal wealth.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by mcpar-land » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 2:41 PM UTC

baggy_trough wrote: post #8

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he's not preventing Jack Dorsey from doing anything. Jack Dorsey has enough money to buy FOSDEM, the building FOSDEM takes place in, and give every person who would have attended FOSDEM enough money to retire, and still be a billionaire afterwards. He can carry out a talk anywhere, at any time.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

#34

Post by hshshshshsh » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 2:41 PM UTC

wormlord wrote: post #15

I don't know how someone could look at Dorsey/Musk/Bezos actions and still be interested in what they have to say. There's probably a lot to be learned from someone who worships money, assuming that your goal is to emulate them. However their lifestyle and ideology is inherently dangerous to workers and life on earth as we know it. So yeah I don't really care what they have to say beyond knowing how the enemy views t…

Sorry. When I look at Musk I see self landing rockets, electric cars , star link etc. Obviously he seems to be quite close to truth since without getting close to reality you can't do any of these since Physics is brutal and does not reward any false assumptions.

So that gives me a sense that Musk is much closer to truth than most people out there. What am I missing?

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by stavros » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 2:42 PM UTC

Etheryte wrote: post #6

lotharcable2 wrote: post #2

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I think this is not a charitable take. The writing is balanced and he highlights that this is his subjective opinion and preference. Your comment is hyperbole and blows the whole thing out of proportion.

I have no opinion on the rest of the article, but it feels a bit disingenuous to say that Twitter burdened Mastodon because it made the latter much more popular.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

#36

Post by JSR_FDED » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 2:43 PM UTC

bogwog wrote: post #25

JSR_FDED wrote: post #11

By all means let them sponsor open source events, we’ll just take the benefits. If that means listening to their latest swindle then so be it, small price to pay. Isn’t this what the phrase “useful idiots” was invented for?

So conference organizers get in on the grift while the community is robbed by whatever crypto scam/other bullshit this guy sells on stage? I guess it's fine if they also add a large and prominent "THIS GUY IS TRYING TO ROB YOU" banner to the stage and livestreams.

I think the people who attend open source conferences can spot the equivalent of the timeshare presentation.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by michaelt » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 2:43 PM UTC

JSR_FDED wrote: post #11

By all means let them sponsor open source events, we’ll just take the benefits. If that means listening to their latest swindle then so be it, small price to pay. Isn’t this what the phrase “useful idiots” was invented for?

If you think that's bad, wait until you hear about how many unpaid volunteers are running FOSDEM as a "free and non-commercial event"

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

#38

Post by jamespo » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 2:43 PM UTC

hshshshshsh wrote: post #34

wormlord wrote: post #15

I don't know how someone could look at Dorsey/Musk/Bezos actions and still be interested in what they have to say. There's probably a lot to be learned from someone who worships money, assuming that your goal is to emulate them. However their lifestyle and ideology is inherently dangerous to workers and life on earth as we know it. So yeah I don't really care what they have to say beyond knowing how the enemy views t…

Sorry. When I look at Musk I see self landing rockets, electric cars , star link etc. Obviously he seems to be quite close to truth since without getting close to reality you can't do any of these since Physics is brutal and does not reward any false assumptions. So that gives me a sense that Musk is much closer to truth than most people out there. What am I missing?

What inventors are you interested in that aren't billionaires?

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by duxup » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 2:43 PM UTC

handity wrote: post #13

I have no opinion on the sit-in, but it is always hilarious to see ex-Twitterites breathlessly bemoaning the sale, as if massive centralized ad-based networks feeding algorithmically presented "content" to the masses are somehow a boon to society as long as they are owned by a "good guy".

Unfortunately most people's principals and ethos start and stop with "Does this apply to me or someone I like? then it doesn't apply".

Disappointing but you see it time and again :(

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 2:44 PM UTC

hshshshshsh wrote: post #34

wormlord wrote: post #15

I don't know how someone could look at Dorsey/Musk/Bezos actions and still be interested in what they have to say. There's probably a lot to be learned from someone who worships money, assuming that your goal is to emulate them. However their lifestyle and ideology is inherently dangerous to workers and life on earth as we know it. So yeah I don't really care what they have to say beyond knowing how the enemy views t…

Sorry. When I look at Musk I see self landing rockets, electric cars , star link etc. Obviously he seems to be quite close to truth since without getting close to reality you can't do any of these since Physics is brutal and does not reward any false assumptions. So that gives me a sense that Musk is much closer to truth than most people out there. What am I missing?

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