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OpenAI fails to deliver opt-out system for photographers

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Re: OpenAI fails to deliver opt-out system for photographers

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simonw wrote: post #30
echelon wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Insofar as data for diffusion / image / video models are concerned, the rise of synthetic data and data efficiency will mean that none of this really matters anyway. We were just in the bootstrapping phase. You can bolt on new functional modules and train them with very limited data you acquire from Unreal Engine or in the field.

Has synthetic data become a big part of image/video models? I understand why it's useful and popular for training LLMs, but I didn't think it was applicable to generative image/video work.

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Re: OpenAI fails to deliver opt-out system for photographers

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Post by CamperBob2 »

oraphalous wrote: post #8

I don't even understand why it's everyone elses problem to opt-out. Eventually - for how many of these AI companies would a person have to track down their opt-out processes just to protect their work from AI? That's crazy. OpenAI should be contacting every single one and asking for permission - like everyone has to in order to use a person's work. How they are getting away with this is beyond me.

I don't even understand why it's everyone elses problem to opt-out.

Because the work being done, from the point of view of people who believe they are on the verge of creating AGI, is arguably more important than copyright.

Less controversially: if the courts determine that training an ML model is not fair use, then anyone who respects copyright law will end up with an uncompetitive model. As will anyone operating in a country where the laws force them to do so. So don't expect the large players to walk away without putting up a massive fight.

Re: OpenAI fails to deliver opt-out system for photographers

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Post by griomnib »

oraphalous wrote: post #8

I don't even understand why it's everyone elses problem to opt-out. Eventually - for how many of these AI companies would a person have to track down their opt-out processes just to protect their work from AI? That's crazy. OpenAI should be contacting every single one and asking for permission - like everyone has to in order to use a person's work. How they are getting away with this is beyond me.

Napster had a moment too, but then they got steamrolled in court.

Courts are slow, so it seems like nothing is happening, but there’s tons of cases in the pipeline.

The media industry has forced many tech firms to bend the knee, OpenAI will follow suit. Nobody rips off Disney IP and lives to tell the tale.

Re: OpenAI fails to deliver opt-out system for photographers

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Post by portaouflop »

wilg wrote: post #5
dgfitz wrote: post #3

Eventually the headline will be the first 2 words. The tech is neat, there is value in a sense, LLMs are a fun tech. They are not going to invent AGI with LLMs.

who cares if they do it with LLMs or not? how do you define agi?

We have this discussion every minute -.-

Re: OpenAI fails to deliver opt-out system for photographers

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Post by famouswaffles »

mschuster91 wrote: post #24
wilg wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

who cares if they do it with LLMs or not? how do you define agi?

> how do you define agi? An AI that has enough sense of self-awareness to not hallucinate and to recognize the borders of its knowledge on its own . That is fundamentally impossible to do with LLMs because in the end, they are all next-token predictors while humans are capable of a much more complex model of storing and associating information and context, and most importantly, develop "mental models" from that infor…

>Take autonomous driving for example - a driver of a car sees a person attempting to cross a street in front of them. A human can decide to slam the brake or the gas depending on the context - is the person crossing the car some old granny on a walker or a soccer player? Or a human sees a ball being kicked into the air on the sidewalk behind some cars, with no humans visible. The human can infer "whoops, there might be children playing here, better slow down and be prepared for a child to suddenly step out onto the street from between the cars"

These are just post-hoc rationalizations. No-one making those split-second decisions under those circumstances has those chains-of-thoughts. The brain doesn't 'think' that fast.

>but an object detection/classification lacks that ability to even recognize the ball as being a potentially relevant piece of context.

We're talking about LLMs right ? They can make these sort of inferences.

https://wayve.ai/thinking/lingo-2-driving-with-language/

Re: OpenAI fails to deliver opt-out system for photographers

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #32
oraphalous wrote: post #8

I don't even understand why it's everyone elses problem to opt-out. Eventually - for how many of these AI companies would a person have to track down their opt-out processes just to protect their work from AI? That's crazy. OpenAI should be contacting every single one and asking for permission - like everyone has to in order to use a person's work. How they are getting away with this is beyond me.

I don't even understand why it's everyone elses problem to opt-out. Because the work being done, from the point of view of people who believe they are on the verge of creating AGI, is arguably more important than copyright. Less controversially: if the courts determine that training an ML model is not fair use, then anyone who respects copyright law will end up with an uncompetitive model. As will anyone operating in…

Of note here is the reason it's "important" is it will make a shit-ton of money.

Re: OpenAI fails to deliver opt-out system for photographers

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Post by testfrequency »

Probably means nothing, but all the people I know who went to OpenAI and are still there are all the people who made very poor business decisions and were hated at multiple companies I worked for.

High doubt any of them will be good stewards of anything but selfishness.

As for the others, they were all smart, passionate, dedicated folks who knew Sam was a complete narcissist and left to start their own AI startups.

(sorry mods, I’m upset and I’m annoyed OpenAI is getting away with murder of society in plain view)

Re: OpenAI fails to deliver opt-out system for photographers

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Post by HeatrayEnjoyer »

DidYaWipe wrote: post #28

Shocking news about the company that fraudulently left "open" in its name after ripping off donors. I think the headline is too generous here. More accurate would be "OpenAI neglects to deliver opt-out system..."

Sorry, who did they rip off?

All their investors stand to profit handsomely (if they live).

Re: OpenAI fails to deliver opt-out system for photographers

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Post by llm_trw »

toddmorey wrote: post #11
echelon wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Insofar as data for diffusion / image / video models are concerned, the rise of synthetic data and data efficiency will mean that none of this really matters anyway. We were just in the bootstrapping phase. You can bolt on new functional modules and train them with very limited data you acquire from Unreal Engine or in the field.

I don’t entirely agree. For example, it’s a very popular scheme on Etsy right now to use LLMs to generate posters in the style of popular artists. Any artist should be able to say hey I don’t want my works to be part of your training set to power derivative generations. And I think it should even apply retroactively so that they have to retrain their models that are already generating works from training data consume…

Should any artist be able to tell another artist: hey don't copy my work when you're learning, I don't want competition?

It seems like they are deeply upset someone has figured out a way for a machine to do what artists have been doing since time immemorial.

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