Imagine being an engineer on the Siri team, must be so demoralizing.
GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta
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Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta
#32The beta is inconsistently showing (required a few refreshes to get something to show up), but my limited usage of it showed a plethora of issues: - Assumed UTC instead of EST. Corrected it and it still continued to bork - Added random time deltas to my asked times (+2, -10 min). - Couple notifications didn't go off at all - The one that did go off didn't provide a push notification. --- On top of that, only usable w…
I'd rather have buggy things now than perfect things in a year.
First impressions matter, if the experience is this bad you're probably waiting a year to come back anyway.
Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Possibly, but that's going to require 100% consistent, accurate outputs (tricky as that's not the nature of LLMs). Otherwise, you'll have a lot of systems dependent on these orchestrators creating hard-to-debug mistakes up and down the pipeline. With software, you can reach a state where it does what you tell it to without having to worry if some model adjustment or API change is going to break the output. If they so…
Its inevitable. You can argue about what's possible right now, but I'm not looking at it from that angle. I think these issues will be solved with time
Why? Past progress =/= equal rate of future progress.
Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta
#34This is shaping up to be as bad as the Sora release.
Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta
#35Amazon had an insane number of people working on just the alarms feature in Alexa when they interviewed me for a position years ago. They had entire teams devoted to the tiniest edge case within the realm of scheduling things with Alexa. This is no doubt one of the biggest use cases in computing: getting your computer to tell you what to do at a given time.
Recurring schedules across time zones is an unbelievably maddening thing to implement. At first glance it seems simple, but it gets very weird very quickly.
Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
After asking it to schedule something, it prompted me to allow or block notifications, so sounds like this is just chatGPT scheduling push notifications? We'll see!
So basically canibalizing Siri ?
Siri has access to a wealth of private existing and future on-device APIs to fuel context sensitive responses to queries on vendor locked devices used all day long. (Which Apple has apparently decided to just not use yet.)
OpenAI doesn't, they just have a ton of funding and (up to recently) a good mass media story, and the best natural language responses.
The moat around Siri is much deeper, and I don't really see any evidence OpenAI has any special sauce that can't be reproduced by others.
My prediction is that OpenAI's reliance on AI doomerism to generate a regulatory moat falters as they become unable to produce step changes in new models, while Apple's efforts despite being halting and incomplete become ubiquitous thanks to market share and access to on device context.
I wouldn't (and don't) put my money in OpenAI anymore. I don't see a future for them beyond being the first mover in an "LLM as a service" space in which they have no moat. On top of that they've managed to absorb the worst of criticism as a sort of LLM lightning rod. Worst of all, it may turn out that off-device isn't even really necessary for most consumer applications in which case they'll start to have to make most of their money on corporate contracts.
Maybe something will change, but right now OpenAI is looking like a bubble company with no guarantee to its dominant position. Because it is what it is: simply the largest pooling of money to try to corner this market. What else do they have?
Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta
#37This is going to eat software, and is the beginning of agents. The orchestrator of these tasks will come, and OpenAI will turn into a general purpose compute system, the endgame of workflow software. Soon there will be a database, and your prompts will be able to directly read and write to an openai hosted postgres instance. And your CRUD app will begin to disappear. Programming will feel pointless
This significantly overestimates the reliability of LLMs -- both their output integrity and their ability to understand context.
Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta
#38The beta is inconsistently showing (required a few refreshes to get something to show up), but my limited usage of it showed a plethora of issues: - Assumed UTC instead of EST. Corrected it and it still continued to bork - Added random time deltas to my asked times (+2, -10 min). - Couple notifications didn't go off at all - The one that did go off didn't provide a push notification. --- On top of that, only usable w…
I'd rather have buggy things now than perfect things in a year.
Doesn't need to be perfect- but using this would actively reduce productivity
Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta
#39Does the world need another reminder/todo app?
Many existing apps (like Todoist) have already had LLM integrations for a while now, and have more features like calendars and syncing.
Or do I completely not understand what this product is trying to be?
Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta
#40This is going to eat software, and is the beginning of agents. The orchestrator of these tasks will come, and OpenAI will turn into a general purpose compute system, the endgame of workflow software. Soon there will be a database, and your prompts will be able to directly read and write to an openai hosted postgres instance. And your CRUD app will begin to disappear. Programming will feel pointless
Bit of advice: you might want to actually use an offering before claiming it is revolutionary.