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US Supreme Court curbed public scrutiny as it boosted security before Roe ruling

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Re: US Supreme Court curbed public scrutiny as it boosted security before Roe ruling

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When you’re splitting hairs over whether an intentionally misleading response is technically a lie, it’s a good sign the whole system has lost whatever good faith it once had.

Doesn’t have to be “the whole system.” You can pin blame directly on the people doing it.

The system everyone sort of assumed would punish bad behavior, it turns out did not at all punish bad behavior.

It is both down to the system and the individuals.

Re: US Supreme Court curbed public scrutiny as it boosted security before Roe ruling

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> Why is it in the public interest to know when the shift change is for the guards at the supreme court? How can the public verify that security is sufficiently without holes if the public doesn't have access to details? How can the public verify that their taxes, which paid for that security, are well-spent? While I don't personally believe all security details should be publicly available, I do think the details sh…

Does the public have that kind of access with, say, a military base? The White House? I doubt it.

> Does the public have that kind of access with, say, a military base? The White House? I doubt it.

Public certainly can request information via FOIA, but US government has many different security classifications and timeframes. Your mileage may vary but I would argue that yes, the public does have that kind of access, even if timeframes might be decades instead of days or months.

Re: US Supreme Court curbed public scrutiny as it boosted security before Roe ruling

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I have always maintained, while he was sitting and afterwards, that Scalia's deep corruption was one of the only things protecting US civil liberties. His desire not to be examined informed his decisions on investigative overreach. The liberal justices sitting now are leaders in corruption, so it's not exclusive to people whose decisions we don't like.

Evidence please?

Are their rulings not evidence enough?

Re: US Supreme Court curbed public scrutiny as it boosted security before Roe ruling

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Clarence Thomas did exactly this.

Which ones haven't? RGB, Sotomayor, Breyer, Jackson have all done the same things.

Plus Gorsuch, Roberts, etc. In most cases though, it's important to see the purpose of, and who paid for, such trips. Harvard paying for someone to travel as a visiting professor is in a different category than a private billionaire sponsoring a fishing trip.

Re: US Supreme Court curbed public scrutiny as it boosted security before Roe ruling

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Justices cannot talk to the president?

Judges in general cannot talk to parties with business before their court. Fortunately / unfortunately, our Supreme Court has no ethical standards, so there’s no prohibition here like there would be for a lower court. BTW I think you meant “President elect”, who is still a private citizen.

I would love to see what they talked about, do you have the transcript?

Re: US Supreme Court curbed public scrutiny as it boosted security before Roe ruling

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Evidence please?

Are their rulings not evidence enough?

To prove "liberal justices are leaders in corruption?" Uhhh no.

Not only should GP provide evidence that liberal justices are routinely receiving bribes, but that, as "leaders", they are dwarf the ones Clarence Thomas took and didn't report.

Re: US Supreme Court curbed public scrutiny as it boosted security before Roe ruling

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So the US Supreme Court is corrupt, well why not join the rest of the US Gov. in getting "gifts and tips".

I have always maintained, while he was sitting and afterwards, that Scalia's deep corruption was one of the only things protecting US civil liberties. His desire not to be examined informed his decisions on investigative overreach. The liberal justices sitting now are leaders in corruption, so it's not exclusive to people whose decisions we don't like.

The liberal justices sitting now are leaders in corruption

wow this is the craziest thing written here in years. unless clarence turned liberal and we missed the news? or kavanaugh paid her own debts with monopoly money. you are too funny (if you are trying to be …)

Re: US Supreme Court curbed public scrutiny as it boosted security before Roe ruling

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post #31

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Doesn’t have to be “the whole system.” You can pin blame directly on the people doing it.

The system everyone sort of assumed would punish bad behavior, it turns out did not at all punish bad behavior. It is both down to the system and the individuals.

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Re: US Supreme Court curbed public scrutiny as it boosted security before Roe ruling

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What makes me livid is a number of these Trump appointees lied in to congress when they said "Roe was settled law" (It's a precedent, ... "settled" here meaning "why change it, it's the law of the land") only to waste no time in unsettling it. The Trump / MAGA / right-wing takeover of America is a thing I never would have wished even on my enemies.

This was a clear rhetorical tactic, the type a lawyer would employ. Saying Roe is settled law is a factual observation about the world, not a statement of personal opinion. When you look at it that way, it wasn't a lie, but an observation that is no longer true.

I don’t think this captures it all. The “observation” was also about whether they would change the world. They strongly implied they wouldn’t, then did anyway.

Re: US Supreme Court curbed public scrutiny as it boosted security before Roe ruling

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This was a clear rhetorical tactic, the type a lawyer would employ. Saying Roe is settled law is a factual observation about the world, not a statement of personal opinion. When you look at it that way, it wasn't a lie, but an observation that is no longer true.

I don’t think this captures it all. The “observation” was also about whether they would change the world. They strongly implied they wouldn’t, then did anyway.

They didn't imply it but people inferred it because they are skilled at using language to persuade people without lying.
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