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Narcolepsy is weird but I didn't notice

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Re: Narcolepsy is weird but I didn't notice

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As someone without narcolepsy, the description of cataplexy sounds a lot like sleep paralysis (which happened to me a couple times in my life), and so do the waking dreams.

Oddly the author compares their cataplexy experience to sleep paralysis and says they are not similar because in sleep paralysis "you can't feel" whereas in cataplexy "you can feel all your limbs and it feels like they're all ready to obey you".

I have experienced sleep paralysis several times, and I have always retained the ability to apparently feel my body/limbs as I think most people do. It would seem that the author's experience of sleep paralysis is different from most people's.

Re: Narcolepsy is weird but I didn't notice

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Tangential: The story of the discovery of the cause of Narcolepsy is fascinating [1], [2], [3]

TL;DR: Narcolepsy is an autoimmune disorder caused by the destruction of the approximately 70,000 neurons that are responsible for producing the neurotransmitter orexin. [2]

A key piece of evidence was data analysis that showed a correlation between seasonal flu epidemic in China and subsequent new narcolepsy diagnoses. [1]

[1]: https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2011/08/study-draws-c...

[2]: https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2022/09/emmanuel-mign...

[3]: https://med.stanford.edu/content/dam/sm/narcolepsy/documents...

Re: Narcolepsy is weird but I didn't notice

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My brother has narcolepsy. It is interesting how it presents itself in different people. I have never seen my brother fall asleep while occupied with something (walking, talking...) but I have seen him fall asleep so many times when he is not. The moment he gets in a car and it starts driving he falls asleep and very deeply. He would fall asleep in class all the time. The first time i really saw his narcolepsy expres…

Edit: please disregard. I didn't read carefully enough. Obviously it's not dangerous to fall asleep when someone else is driving. > The moment he gets in a car and it starts driving he falls asleep and very deeply > ... > These are not dangerous situations Falling asleep while driving sounds quite dangerous, even with automatic breaking.

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Re: Narcolepsy is weird but I didn't notice

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As a narcoleptic I wish that the diagnosis was more accurate, or at least that the insurance companies were more holistic in their coverage of medication. The multiple sleep latency test hardly qualifies as science and has a terrible false negative rate. It’s also expensive so insurance is reluctant to cover it in the first place, and outright hostile to a second attempt.

Any neurologist will tell you that your first night’s rest in a new location will be of a lower quality and depth than at your home. Despite knowing that, sleep studies are performed at the hospital in a room so uncomfortable that it makes the Holiday Inn feel like the Ritz. You’re then hooked up to a dozen different monitoring devices and asked to sleep in an uncomfortable bed with a camera observing your most vulnerable position. You should have no trouble falling asleep!

The second day is peppered with six attempts at napping within a short window, and if you enter REM within a threshold, you’re official diagnosed as narcoleptic. Otherwise you get a consolation prize of “idiopathic hypersomina” i.e. “sleepy person syndrome.” This methodology only selects for the most severe cases of narcolepsy, and as a result, allows insurance companies to gate-keep expensive medication.

I’ve read that a patient’s suspicion of narcolepsy and their final diagnosis is estimated around 8 to 15 years! IMO there is a subconscious characterization of known-unknown diseases as personal failing of the patient’s virtue. Convincing your parents, teachers, and doctors that you’re not just lazy is near impossible until the symptoms become too frequent to explain away. It also stands that doctors cannot be perceived as lacking critical information, therefore it is Not Allowed for their patients to be fatigued unless they’ve earned it, or put through the gauntlet that is our medical system.

Re: Narcolepsy is weird but I didn't notice

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It's not normal to start dreaming as you fall asleep ? I thought that's how you know you're falling asleep? That you're starting to see the dreams?

It is atypical for REM sleep where most vivid dreaming occurs to start immediately or shortly after falling asleep.

https://www.sleepfoundation.org/stages-of-sleep

Re: Narcolepsy is weird but I didn't notice

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I have some of those minor symptoms.

One thing I have experienced is lying in bed and being unable to move, and I can't tell why. it seems like I'm just not trying to move, which I think is the feeling that distinguishes it from paralysis.

What I have found is I can open my eyes and move them around. Through this I discovered an exercise that helps. If I focus on the ceiling in the far left side of the room then switch to focusing on the far right, after about 5 to 10 if those switches, the rest of my body can move without issues. Whatever it was that felt like I was just being lazy simply vanishes.

My brain is weirdly configured. I have had MRIs, catscans, ultrasounds on though my eye (which is as it sounds,close your eye, pour some goopvon it, then waggle a gadget over the goop)

Some of those were before I had Touretts like symptoms turn up. All I really know at this point is there isn't a tumor in there. I have a feeling some of my doctors would have placed money on finding one.

I also had a thing where they covered me in electrodes and timed how long it took me to fall asleep, then immediately woke me up again to repeat the process

Separately I was diagnosed with ADHD and put on methylphenidate only to find it had no effect on anything (was like taking nothing at all). Now on Dexamphetamine with some benefits.

The dramatic difference in how it feels to do something that previously seemed to require insurmountable effort has made me wonder if laziness is not actually a real thing. Those who have not experienced it may feel like you should just put your head down and do the task at hand, but the way the ability or inability to do that seems to switch on and off like a switch really doesn't make it seem like a factor of willpower.

Re: Narcolepsy is weird but I didn't notice

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Wow this is so close to my symptoms as well it’s interesting to read and see their few differences. I too have a mixture of full narcolepsy and cataplexy attacks - but more cataplexy like the article. I am conscious I just can’t move, I also feel a sinking feeling before it starts so I get just a few seconds warning which can help a little. My partner knows my distinctive “uh oh” I always utter before I leave for a b…

Every so often I will have a dream with a joke or pun that surprises me. And they even make sense after I wake up! I always wonder how my brain manages to do that.

A similar time was when I dreamed I was reading a blog post about a game that was abbreviated WoH. I was trying to figure out what the name of the game could be, so I looked it up (still in the dream) and it was “Whore of Honor.”

After waking up, I pondered the fact that both of those words start with a silent letter - so I never would have consciously guessed them from the abbreviation, but somehow that’s what my subconscious brain came up with.

I had to look it up in real life to make sure it wasn’t a real game that I was just remembering - nope, not the case as far as I can tell!

Re: Narcolepsy is weird but I didn't notice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your eye muscles maybe just tired from constant staring, or neck tension causes brain blood flow problems or something. I struggled with this all the time, but supplementation and exercise helps a lot. Technical papers aren't THAT boring, after all!

No, they aren't boring at all. I love reading them. And I don't fall asleep reading other things, like news articles or fiction. But my brain's response to seeing Greek symbols is to fall asleep.

Too cozy syndrome? :)

Re: Narcolepsy is weird but I didn't notice

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post #36

I have some of those minor symptoms. One thing I have experienced is lying in bed and being unable to move, and I can't tell why. it seems like I'm just not trying to move, which I think is the feeling that distinguishes it from paralysis. What I have found is I can open my eyes and move them around. Through this I discovered an exercise that helps. If I focus on the ceiling in the far left side of the room then swit…

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Re: Narcolepsy is weird but I didn't notice

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you prescribed? Similar situation; still trying to find the right meds.

* Modafinil (400mg, 1x daily) - Started with 100mg and tried several variations of timing/dosage. Currently, 400mg upon waking in the morning has worked the best. * Duloxetine (30mg, 2x daily) My PCP prescribed the Duloxetine early in the process when they suspected I had ME/CFS. It did not seem to do much other than make me feel calm in situations that would normally cause anxiety, but later I got the IH diagnosis a…

Not the person you responded to, but thought y'all may be interested: there is a promising new class of drugs for narcolepsy type 1, orexin agonists, that are yielding great results in clinical trials. TAK-861 is in stage 3 trials now I believe.

As I understand it, the best theory of NT1 is that an autoimmune response kills the orexin-producing neurons. Orexin is a neurotransmitter that plays a role in healthy sleep architecture as well as wakefulness. In theory, orexin agonists are a much more direct treatment of the underlying issue than current treatments.

So hopefully there will be some better treatments available for y'all in the next few years. May even be worth trying to find a trial for one in your area.

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