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A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by nicce »

ki85squared wrote: post #22
Kokouane wrote: post #2

Kagi is a tough pill to swallow. Their search is hands down the best around, there's no other way around it. That being said, $10/mo is also expensive. The workaround I found is using Kagi Ultimate. I get access to Claude (and I'm still able to attach files + access a dozen other LLMs) for $25/mo, so I was able to cancel Claude and keep Kagi and get the best of both worlds from either product. Side note: incredible t…

Can't say I understand how $10/month is expensive. Quality search results ultimately save time digging through poor quality search results. Add up 300+ searches per month and surely you're hitting minimum wage value at least. The value proposition is absolutely there at $10.

Value proposition should be compared to the low cost alternative. Is it $10 better than Google? Maybe, I am not sure.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by bbertelsen »

This article is great but it doesn't even talk about the assistant. The assistant is an LLM powered version of Kagi. It's been my daily driver for months and the productivity boost is incredible. I rarely ever use kagi's actual search functionality anymore unless I'm looking for something very niche. I love that you can also swap models. Happy customer here!

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by datadrivenangel »

treetalker wrote: post #28

Kagi Ultimate subscriber here (even got the t-shirt) and I love it. The other comments are all pretty spot-on. I'll add that I adore the summarization feature and use it all the time with a bookmarklet (both on desktop and mobile). It's amazing for cutting to the chase of recommended links and YouTube videos (and for plopping the big ideas into Logseq, nvAlt, Obsidian, et cetera). Big ups.

The t-shirt was kind of a disappointment though. relatively low quality. Love the search engine though!

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by tasty_freeze »

Kokouane wrote: post #2

Kagi is a tough pill to swallow. Their search is hands down the best around, there's no other way around it. That being said, $10/mo is also expensive. The workaround I found is using Kagi Ultimate. I get access to Claude (and I'm still able to attach files + access a dozen other LLMs) for $25/mo, so I was able to cancel Claude and keep Kagi and get the best of both worlds from either product. Side note: incredible t…

> That being said, $10/mo is also expensive.

It is more expensive than $0, but if you value your time more than a dollar an hour, the time saved is worth more than $10. I've found I scroll a lot less and have fewer false positive sites where I click in and look around only to find it isn't what my search was looking for.

That is just for the basic search feature. TBH, I haven't even investigated its other features, like lens and the ai stuff.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by ericd »

nicce wrote: post #31
ki85squared wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't say I understand how $10/month is expensive. Quality search results ultimately save time digging through poor quality search results. Add up 300+ searches per month and surely you're hitting minimum wage value at least. The value proposition is absolutely there at $10.

Value proposition should be compared to the low cost alternative. Is it $10 better than Google? Maybe, I am not sure.

Just being able to rank domains (and nuke the ones that are usually spam) is enough to make it worth $10/mo for me. This is a tool you’re using constantly, so even small time savings per use adds up to a lot.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by dsissitka »

Kokouane wrote: post #2

Kagi is a tough pill to swallow. Their search is hands down the best around, there's no other way around it. That being said, $10/mo is also expensive. The workaround I found is using Kagi Ultimate. I get access to Claude (and I'm still able to attach files + access a dozen other LLMs) for $25/mo, so I was able to cancel Claude and keep Kagi and get the best of both worlds from either product. Side note: incredible t…

> That being said, $10/mo is also expensive.

Back in the beta they planned on launching with a $20-$30/month unlimited plan and they didn't think they'd be able to bring the price down. That was a little too expensive for me so I moved on. I like what they're doing and I'd pay $10/month but I just don't have a use for it anymore.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by akkartik »

I'd pay $10 in a heartbeat if Kagi reliably used all my search keywords. But they don't, and I don't understand it. Just use all my words except stop words. I took the trouble to type them in.

I don't care if your coverage isn't as good as Google in its heyday. "0 search results" should be a mark of pride now.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by sebazzz »

forgotoldacc wrote: post #9

How well does Kagi work for places outside the US and non-English languages? I've only ever seen it mentioned by US users, so I have no clue how support is elsewhere. I briefly tried duckduckgo and its non-US/non-english search results seemed to be lacking (though this was about 2 years ago).

For Dutch it is fine really. No issues.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

Kokouane wrote: post #2

Kagi is a tough pill to swallow. Their search is hands down the best around, there's no other way around it. That being said, $10/mo is also expensive. The workaround I found is using Kagi Ultimate. I get access to Claude (and I'm still able to attach files + access a dozen other LLMs) for $25/mo, so I was able to cancel Claude and keep Kagi and get the best of both worlds from either product. Side note: incredible t…

There was a time when it was incredible that a small team like Google could somehow implement search more effectively than a company that has years of search experience (i.e. AltaVista)

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by bboygravity »

Kokouane wrote: post #2

Kagi is a tough pill to swallow. Their search is hands down the best around, there's no other way around it. That being said, $10/mo is also expensive. The workaround I found is using Kagi Ultimate. I get access to Claude (and I'm still able to attach files + access a dozen other LLMs) for $25/mo, so I was able to cancel Claude and keep Kagi and get the best of both worlds from either product. Side note: incredible t…

That (25 usd for Claude + Kagi) is the best sales pitch ever. I'm switching :)

Not sure what I'll do when Grok 3 comes out (I expect it to beat every other LLM out there hands down) but we'll see by then :p

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