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Man trapped inside driverless Waymo car as it spins in circles

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Re: Man trapped inside driverless Waymo car as it spins in circles

#31

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> If they had an actual kill switch I'm unfamiliar - we have these in train cars, did the architects behind driverless techshit not think it was necessary?

Train cars? As in the vehicle on a track where an immediate stop is almost never more dangerous?

I didn't say pull the hand brake at 60mph.

There should be an emergency "pull over and stop gracefully" button.

Re: Man trapped inside driverless Waymo car as it spins in circles

#32

So the guy is in the car and he's concerned about catching his flight but when the operator asks him to do something in the waymo app he doesn't want to do it. Could it be that he'd rather keep filming for internet notoriety than stop filming and actually solve his problem?

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Re: Man trapped inside driverless Waymo car as it spins in circles

#33

Can we please get some clarification on "trapped" from someone who's used a Wayno? Surely the driverless car hasn't locked him inside. Right? Surely every driverless vehicle ought to have a button that when pressed gracefully stops the car so the passengers can safely exit.

> Surely the driverless car hasn't locked him inside. Right? Every (modern) car I’ve been in, driverless or not, will lock the doors once the vehicle is in motion - automakers are not in the habit of letting passengers fall into the road like that. Just imagine the lawsuits…

It's been my (limited) experience that there's a manual override that can still be unlocked. Can't I slide the lock lever to the unlocked position while the car is in motion?

I'd also submit that in any case where I'd open the door while the vehicle is in motion, I'd have a damned good reason for wanting to do so[0] and would not take kindly to being thwarted.

[0] Usually: backing the plow truck up to a small, flat utility trailer that's invisible through the rear window.

Re: Man trapped inside driverless Waymo car as it spins in circles

#34
post #23

My guess is that the car is looking for a place to pull over (perhaps because the rider pressed the "pull over" button. In this mode, the car hugs the right side of the road until it can find a spot to stop, which would normally work alright, except in this one particular spot where the "right side of the road" is only this tiny island. So the car just circles around it indefinitely.

It's all of these edge cases that makes self driving cars impractical outside of optimal conditions.

Re: Man trapped inside driverless Waymo car as it spins in circles

#35
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That clearly seems the case, doesn't mean the video wasn't worth making though. This situation would terrify a lot of people

It's worth making, but there's some serious drama queen vibes that make it feel pretty overblown. If an uber is late to the airport a reasonable person doesn't threaten the driver with covering the cost of their flight.

If an Uber driver caused you to miss a flight by driving around a parking lot in circles at a speed you can't exit the vehicle, you don't think it would be a reasonable request for the customer to ask Uber to make it right?

Re: Man trapped inside driverless Waymo car as it spins in circles

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they had an actual kill switch I'm unfamiliar - we have these in train cars, did the architects behind driverless techshit not think it was necessary?

If they can remotely kill the engine of any Waymo car in motion, so can hackers.

If they can't secure it, then the entire project should be scrapped.

But GM already has this capability with OnStar. Stolen vehicles can be slowed down then stopped and and disabled remotely.

Re: Man trapped inside driverless Waymo car as it spins in circles

#38
post #23

My guess is that the car is looking for a place to pull over (perhaps because the rider pressed the "pull over" button. In this mode, the car hugs the right side of the road until it can find a spot to stop, which would normally work alright, except in this one particular spot where the "right side of the road" is only this tiny island. So the car just circles around it indefinitely.

It's all of these edge cases that makes self driving cars impractical outside of optimal conditions.

That would be the definition of an edge case

Re: Man trapped inside driverless Waymo car as it spins in circles

#39
post #12

So the guy is in the car and he's concerned about catching his flight but when the operator asks him to do something in the waymo app he doesn't want to do it. Could it be that he'd rather keep filming for internet notoriety than stop filming and actually solve his problem?

Could it be that Waymo should just be able to stop the car? It doesn't seem at all ridiculous to you that he is already on the phone with them, and then they just read the script to tell him to pull out his phone and fire up the app? Just what I want is to ride in a car with Comcast level of customer service.

> ride in a car

It's riding in a robot with no reliable safety fencing. This is the mayhem these companies are subjecting the general public to.

Re: Man trapped inside driverless Waymo car as it spins in circles

#40
This is wild! Wow! I used to think highly of Waymo but this could be the worst possible way to handle a situation where a 2-ton object went awry.

She should have stopped the car immediately after she became aware of the situation, within the first few seconds of the call. She kept following this dumb scripted conversation as if it was someone calling support because their router won't turn on. What an absolute shit display of incompetence and recklessness.

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