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Unemployed office workers are having a harder time finding new jobs

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Re: Unemployed office workers are having a harder time finding new jobs

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Post by j45 »

uptownfunk wrote: post #16

My observations for the last two years: Employers are hyper hyper selective There are a lot a lot of fake job postings The bar has gone way way up It is in general very difficult and gruelling to get a job If engineering roles are hard to find, product is 10-100x worse If you have a job, be thankful, don't rock the ship OBVIOUSLY there will be statements to the contrary, but this is really more in the spirit of - if…

It might be a lasting trend for employers to hold off as long as they can until the right candidate comes along to not affect the culture or other things.

The cost and impact of a bad hire can be really bad.

Re: Unemployed office workers are having a harder time finding new jobs

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Post by j45 »

lmaoguy wrote: post #18

The answer is obviously more H1B’s.

H1B's are guaranteed workforce for a number of years with low turnover.

I was thinking about it the other day, but it may be it's own form of japanese salaryman, except its for positions not many would work in that arrangement.

Maybe it helps companies that couldn't be sustainable, be that way (artificially).

Re: Unemployed office workers are having a harder time finding new jobs

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Post by j45 »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #7

Ghost jobs doesn't help things any. Posting fake jobs should be considered wage theft. Multiply the number of applications for a fake job by the average time to apply and then by the hourly rate (or salaried rate calculated down to the hour). Charge those responsible for theft of that figure, which easily will push it into felony territory. Bet the ghost job phenomenon disappears overnight.

That has some merit.

At the same time falsifying skills or misrepresenting them should be just as bad.

Re: Unemployed office workers are having a harder time finding new jobs

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Post by j45 »

bagels wrote: post #15
OutOfHere wrote: post #9

In our industry, they key to getting a job is simple: 1. Work on two meaningful projects using the tech you want a job in. Update your resume with the work that was done, without embellishment. 2. Open your profile on LinkedIn. Close it when you get five interviews. Learn from each failing interview.

I don't think most people are getting meaningful job offers by simply having an open profile on LinkedIn right now. This isn't 2021.

People with experience likely are. Lots of recruiters doing their hunting silently.

Re: Unemployed office workers are having a harder time finding new jobs

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Post by klipklop »

vineyardmike wrote: post #23
echelon wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels like FAANG needs to employ lots of people so they don't all go out and build competing services. If skilled people are without work and their savings and lifestyle supports it, they should consider building startups.

That’s what they did for years. I suspect there are some “nice” macroeconomic trends helping them avoid this. Like regulatory capture and the general regulatory fragmentation of the global tech sector. And that new AI tech is prohibitively expensive.

I agree, something has changed.

Also good look any small business trying to buy Nvidia hardware to compete in the AI space. Best they can do is get gouged renting compute time.

Re: Unemployed office workers are having a harder time finding new jobs

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Post by nrr »

likeabatterycar wrote: post #26
IntelMiner wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lack of dirt cheap highly educated labor. It dovetails nicely into their desire to slash education for Americans Once we deport all the "illegal" immigrants, the MAGA folk can pick fruit in Florida while the H1B's work at Amazon for pennies on the dollar I suppose

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Georgia HB 87 (2011) and its unintended consequences say otherwise. While the H-2A is indeed popular, there are still a staggering number of people working these jobs who are here illegally.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-...

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/05/27/136718112...

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/06/georgia...

https://www.politico.com/story/2011/06/ga-immigrant-crackdow...

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/jul/07/immigration-...

Re: Unemployed office workers are having a harder time finding new jobs

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Post by sakopov »

I got my first programming job in 2008, seemingly right before the wave of hiring freezes. I dodged the bullet back then, but I wish I could compare that time to the past two years. That said, it feels very rough out there. Just last week, one of my LinkedIn connections shared a Venmo link, asking for help to pay bills after being laid off, struggling to find another job, and running out of savings. Be thankful if you have a job.

Re: Unemployed office workers are having a harder time finding new jobs

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Post by dietr1ch »

quantified wrote: post #28
autobodie wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can what you're saying be true if Elon Musk says we need more H1Bs because there is a labor shortage?

Maybe because Musk mixes a lot of BS into his sayings?

wasn't this implied by him already? (/s)

Re: Unemployed office workers are having a harder time finding new jobs

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Post by jiveturkey »

The high end of tech work certainly feels more extreme than what this news report is discussing, which says it's now 6 months from 5 months during the most recent boom. To add only 1 month from the boom time doesn't jive with my own experience.

Prior to 2022 I was advance quitting if a job wasn't good enough, didn't treat me (workers in general) right, etc. Now, I expect a year long search if I am forced out.

Re: Unemployed office workers are having a harder time finding new jobs

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Post by hipadev23 »

likeabatterycar wrote: post #26
IntelMiner wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lack of dirt cheap highly educated labor. It dovetails nicely into their desire to slash education for Americans Once we deport all the "illegal" immigrants, the MAGA folk can pick fruit in Florida while the H1B's work at Amazon for pennies on the dollar I suppose

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There are a massive amount of overstays on H2A & H4 visas. They didn’t arrive here illegally, but their current status is very often illegal as they can’t switch jobs or extend beyond a season without a cumbersome renewal process, often which requires leaving the country for at least 3 months.
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