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Re: Do It in Jeans First

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Post by superconduct123 »

Why does it seem like everyone on the internet is an extreme safety ranger nowadays?

Everything you do must follow the exact best practices and maximum safety protocols

Someone in this very thread is saying OP could die from wearing jeans hiking

Its honestly ridiculous the exaggeration that goes on in internet hobby forums

And the risk acceptance is arbitrary anyway

You can argue that wearing jeans hiking is taking a risk

Then I can 1-up and ask why don't you wear a full 1-piece high-vis yellow suit and wear a helmet at all times whenever you leave your house?

You could get hit by a car?

Why would you take that risk?

Re: Do It in Jeans First

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Post by paulcole »

rootedbox wrote: post #25

I didn't wear cleats until I was almost 14 playing baseball.. I just used tennis shoes.. some of my friends gave me a hard time about it. I could hit dingers all day so no big deal. But you know what. I wore a helmet at every at bat. Did I really need it for every at bat?? No; But I had it. There's a long list of dead people who went into the wilderness or hiking under prepared. Just because it didn't happen to you d…

> But safety should always come first.

No it shouldn’t.

Safety is almost always a trade off of real (or perceived) risk and reward.

If safety came first, you’d never swim, hike, or drive a car.

Re: Do It in Jeans First

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Post by thowaway6060 »

doing the same thing right now - learning to skate.

I got a cheap pair of skates from goodwill, well on my way into week 2 now.

Once I know I got the chops down, I'm gonna go buy a nicer pair - but until then, can't beat a pair of $10 skates!

Re: Do It in Jeans First

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Post by timtimmy »

In my university days I climbed Mt Fuji at night for the sunrise in jeans, running shoes and a little tiny pen light. At the top there were people with small oxygen tanks (understandable, there are legitimate medical concerns for some). I'd do it differently today. :)

I'm ignoring the point of the article, but I'm currently in a country with a strong hiking culture. Everyone is decked out with every piece of hiking gear imaginable for a short trek up a hill (2 hour round trip?). It's a bit of a status thing. Well... maybe there is a connection to the article. Do we sometimes avoid simple tools in startups because of ego/status concerns?

Re: Do It in Jeans First

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Post by __mharrison__ »

I bike in jeans all the time...

But certain specialized tools (and knowledge of how to use them) like say AI, will make your job much easier.

Another example. We just remodeled our house. Workers with specialized tools and know how were able to get the job done much faster and with a better final product.

Re: Do It in Jeans First

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Post by Walf »

SoftTalker wrote: post #16
cactusplant7374 wrote: post #7

I sweat a lot and hiking with jeans would feel disgusting.

So why would you ever wear them?

Cotton is generally a great fabric if you sweat, because it wicks moisture and breathes. Denim started its life as workwear. However, if you're building up moisture too fast or you just get a bit wet from weather, and you have a lot of friction from walking, your thighs can get chafed to hell. I think it's odd that chafing wasn't mentioned once in the post.

I have had it happen before on a day trip in a very humid climate and it was awful. That doesn't mean I don't ever wear jeans.

Re: Do It in Jeans First

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Post by yakshaving_jgt »

superconduct123 wrote: post #31

Why does it seem like everyone on the internet is an extreme safety ranger nowadays? Everything you do must follow the exact best practices and maximum safety protocols Someone in this very thread is saying OP could die from wearing jeans hiking Its honestly ridiculous the exaggeration that goes on in internet hobby forums And the risk acceptance is arbitrary anyway You can argue that wearing jeans hiking is taking a…

What makes you think it's limited to the internet?

Re: Do It in Jeans First

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Post by munificent »

deadbabe wrote: post #9
NikkiA wrote: post #4

But jeans are terrible in the extreme situations that could happen while hiking, and can worsen the risk of hypothermia if you end up in such a situation, potentially causing death when you might otherwise have endured. Thats why people tell you not to hike in jeans, you don't need 'special' pants, just 'not jeans (or any other pants made from similar wet-trapping materials)'.

People overestimate their risk of an extreme situation occurring while hiking and underestimate their risk of being in an extreme situation in everyday life. They are roughly equal. So if you were really that concerned, you’d be wearing hiking pants everywhere, even when not hiking.

> People overestimate their risk of an extreme situation occurring while hiking and underestimate their risk of being in an extreme situation in everyday life. They are roughly equal.

They are roughly equal in absolute terms, say 0.000001% and 0.00001%, but not in relative terms (10x). These are made-up numbers, but I think they convey the idea behind the numbers accurately.

The reason for the wide disparity is not really about the situation. Our ancestors spent every day of their lives walking miles on rough unpaved trails in the wilderness. It's about experience. Most people, even fairly avid hikers, simply don't spent anywhere near as much time hiking as they spend doing other things.

Inexperience radically increases risk. Clear evidence for this is that every single high stakes profession places an extreme emphasis on training and practice.

If you're doing an activity that you aren't an expert at, it behooves you to increase your level of caution to compensate. If that activity happens to take place in a setting where consequences are more dire (in the wilderness, far from access to healthcare), then increase your level of caution to compensate for that too.

> So if you were really that concerned, you’d be wearing hiking pants everywhere, even when not hiking.

I mean, they do appear to be a Seattleite, so that wouldn't exactly be unusual around here...

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